And you swore at practicing business intelligence ...

[Детективное агентство Тула]

Greetings to dear colleagues!
The following message came to corporate mail:

To the Departments of Economic Security, Internal Audit and Control

Dear Colleagues,

Russian branch of the Association of Certified Theft Investigators (ACFE)

invites to the training “Actual issues of conducting internal investigations and theft risk assessment”, which is held on June 26-27, 2014. in Moscow.

The training was developed specifically for employees of control divisions: economic security services, internal audit and control


Training program on the official page of the site

Registration form is available here.

Offers (additional 5% discount)


So suddenly it turned out that there was a certain Certified Theft Investigation Associations (ACFE) ,
the Russian branch of which has an official website: https://www.the-village.ru/village/situa ... -volgograd
How all this (investigation of thefts by some allegedly incomprehensible someone certified specialists) AGREES WITH THE RUSSIAN LEGISLATION is completely not clear ??? : oops:: o
I recalled the persecution that practiced business intelligence agents at the Forum ...
So, they are compared with certified experts in the investigation of theft - the lambs of God!
I would like to hear the opinion of colleagues on this issue.

 

[Гудимов Анатолий Геннадиевич]

There are a great many organizations existing in the world’s Internet space, there are many of which we don’t even suspect: D
Google at the request of "international association" - produces 762 million results.

 

[Eugen]

The training was developed specifically for employees of control departments: economic security services, internal audit and control - this speaks for itself (basically law enforcement officers are retired in these positions and they do not need such trainings).
The trainings were developed mainly for the military, who stood up for security at the post, became a shift supervisor, graduated in absentia from some university in economics, built in the army according to the charter of his subordinates, and became an employee of economic security, in which all economists or accountants have operational experience. , there is no investigative work and some lawyer who memorized the Code of Criminal Procedure at these trainings teaches him.

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

Investigation of crimes (including theft - note mine) - activity specially authorized state bodies to obtain information about an action or inaction that may have signs of a crime, to establish the event and the nature of the crime, to expose the perpetrators of the crime, to take measures to compensate for the damage caused by the crime, to identify the causes and conditions that contributed to the commission of the crime.
(Material from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

What kind of certified theft investigation specialists can be here? :?:
This is not an investigation of industrial accidents, journalistic investigations, investigation of spousal and non-marital betrayals, etc. etc....

 

[Victor]

Wiki in terms of reality and legislation is not a completely correct publication.

this time.

SYSTEM OF WORD FORMATION OF ADVERTISING OWNERS is a science that carries a semantic load, not always looking back at the laws (but quite legally). (business topic: D)

certificates?
- auditor certificate
- expert certificate (different categories)

and in the end, what they call themselves.

in my opinion somehow.

and check the reality of comrades is a completely different story.

 

[JR Security Consulting Group]

Konstantin, I think the name is loud, nothing more. It is not a big deal to create an Association, but how to name it is a personal matter, it’s like that, such as experts who issue certificates, though they are not quoted anywhere, but this is another question ))

 

[Victor]

The training was developed specifically for employees of control departments: economic security services, internal audit and control - this speaks for itself (basically law enforcement officers are retired in these positions and they do not need such trainings).
The trainings were developed mainly for the military, who stood up for security at the post, became a shift supervisor, graduated in absentia from some university in economics, built in the army according to the charter of his subordinates, and became an employee of economic security, in which all economists or accountants have operational experience. , there is no investigative work and some lawyer who memorized the Code of Criminal Procedure at these trainings teaches him.

But you don’t need to drive the military: D, there are those who have ogogo and agaga: D (and those standing at the posts too),
and yet, they say that the Charter of the Armed Forces was not written in ink and the proper implementation thereof, with a creative approach, saved many lives ...
I recommend x / f "DMB" on this topic, there are a couple of features explaining everything: D. (+21 if what)

By the way, some law enforcement agencies are required to act in accordance with the Charter of the Armed Forces.

and the desk may be nothing at all (in a good way)
more than 70 thousand members from 150 countries of the world is a lot (if not bullshit)

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

By the way, some law enforcement agencies are required to act in accordance with the Charter of the Armed Forces.

Rather, with the Charter of the GyKS, because it was previously adopted by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR and had the status of law, in contrast to the Charter of the Armed Forces, approved by the Minister of Defense.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

I think, Konstantin Mikhailovich, there’s nothing wrong with that (all the more so with respect to "business intelligence") ... The point of all these events (to train some kind of specialists) is that the training would receive money (just and the principle of the bulk of "business intelligence" -money is not for specific work, but for training an indefinite number of people in certain working methods) ... In addition, I would like to note the fact that this is training the personnel of a particular enterprise in any skills (for internal , so to speak, use), which, in principle, is not prohibited by the Law, because carrying out any activities by the organization itself within any organization (including measures to suppress theft) is also not forbidden by the Law ... And in order to prevent theft, you need to naturally know how to commit them ... and study ... And the name "investigation" is all just words ... Regarding the "business intelligence" who allegedly "scolded" ... So scolded not because they are "business intelligence", but for that they advocated the provision of data collection services to third parties who do not have a license for NPV ... And this is already an entrepreneurial activity that can only be carried out with a private detective license ... In order to collect information within the organization, an employee of this organization and for the needs of this organization, no license is needed ... It is for these purposes (training the organization’s employees, for the needs of the organization itself) that these courses are apparently held ... Courses for employees of the so-called "own service without danger ", acting only for this organization and only in its interests ... And not in the interests of third parties who have no relation to this organization ...

 

[Андрей Захаров]

By the way ... Regarding the investigations ... (the word is in the professional sense) ... According to the OKVD ...
74.60. Investigation and security
This grouping includes:
- transportation of valuables
- bodyguard activities
- the activity of street patrols, security guards, watchmen and watchmen for apartment buildings, institutions, factories, construction sites, hotels, theaters, concert and dance halls, stadiums, shopping centers, etc.
- activities to ensure safety in the field of public transport, such as checking baggage and passengers at airports, as well as patrolling in railway trains and the subway
- activities of security personnel in stores
- ensuring the work of office telephones and other devices for remote monitoring or checking the operation of industrial equipment
- preliminary verification of alarms (for the purpose of deciding whether a false alarm has occurred) and calling, if necessary, the police, fire brigade or ambulance
- advice on industrial safety, in the private sector, in public places, including safety checks
- destruction of information on any media in order to ensure security
- activities of private agents
This grouping does not include:
- installation of alarm systems, see 45.31
- insurance investigations, see 67.20
- the activities of the federal and territorial bodies of security and safety services, as well as activities for the maintenance of public order, carried out by military Cossack societies, see 75.24