An economist from Nizhny Tagil will go on trial for "drain" of information

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

An economist from Nizhny Tagil will go on trial for "drain" of information

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According to investigators, the 27-year-old Tagilchanka, who worked as an economist at Uralchimplast, from June to December 2012 repeatedly photographed a computer monitor with open files containing commercial information at the request of friends. The attacker saved the received data about the company’s customers, prices and delivery volumes in the memory of her cell phone. Then, through MMS messages, the woman sent information to her friends. And those, in turn, used it for personal purposes.

Note that the investigators are engaged in two more criminal cases against persons to whom the suspect transmitted confidential data. NTGS.RU was told about this in the press service of the regional prosecutor's office.

Today, the Dzerzhinsky district prosecutor’s office approved a bill of indictment in a criminal case against a 27-year-old Tagilchanka. She is charged with h. 2 tbsp. 183 of the Criminal Code (unlawful disclosure of information constituting a trade secret without the consent of its owner by a person to whom it became known from work). The case was referred to the district court.

 

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It is interesting to know how this story about the spy and scouts ends?

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

It is interesting to know how this story about the spy and scouts ends?

+1 True, I did not understand, and here the scouts. In my opinion, neither the SVR nor the GRU have anything to do with this?
I think this is a typical case of industrial espionage. Therefore, I published it here.

 

[Детектив-Юг]

It is interesting to know how this story about the spy and scouts ends?

+1 True, I did not understand, and here the scouts. In my opinion, neither the SVR nor the GRU have anything to do with this?
I think this is a typical case of industrial espionage. Therefore, I published it here.

It was those fighters of the invisible front who had read all kinds of nonsense about commercial intelligence and who imagined themselves to be spies, I had in mind.

Thanks for the selection.
The country must know its heroes.
And those who want to joke in the first place.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

It is interesting to know how this story about the spy and scouts ends?

+1 True, I did not understand, and here the scouts. In my opinion, neither the SVR nor the GRU have anything to do with this?
I think this is a typical case of industrial espionage. Therefore, I published it here.

It was those fighters of the invisible front who had read all kinds of nonsense about commercial intelligence and who imagined themselves to be spies, I had in mind.

Dear Detective South, it seems to me that from you, as a lawyer, I have the right to expect more precise formulations. Let’s nevertheless agree to use legal definitions correctly.

For example, “Espionage” is a crime provided for by the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and the article of the same name applicable to foreign citizens and stateless persons.
"Intelligence activities" - the activities of government agencies, a list of which. like goals, is in the Federal Law "On Foreign Intelligence".

It seems to me that one should not juggle with terms, introducing confusion. The example of Igor Bederov, who rewrote the material, taking into account this circumstance, is, in my opinion, indicative: there are no critical materials for the second edition of his article. For now, anyway.

As for "all nonsense" mentioned by you, I will express my opinion. There are specialists who know their job well. They do not write nonsense. They talk about how to obtain the necessary information using legal methods, including, by indirect signs, and how to process it.

And there is - here you are absolutely right - unscrupulous people who knock down money on high-profile phrases.
Agree that it’s not my fault — that a number of forum participants reposted here any literature with the word “intelligence”? I can answer for my materials. For strangers - no.

Perhaps among the things that got to the forum (not from me) there are nonsense. But this does not mean that competitive intelligence is basically stupid. In principle, this is so, it seems to me, it is clear: for example, there are police officers, and there are SVR. Each of them is a specialist in something of his own. After reaching the "citizen" they apply their knowledge in the non-state sphere. And even almost do not intersect. That's all.

Thanks for the selection.
The country must know its heroes.
And those who want to joke in the first place.

You are welcome. By the way, if you paid attention to the dates, I have been collecting such examples on my blog for a long time and showing it to the public. because people should understand: there is a criminal code and you can’t go for it.
Another thing is that much can be obtained without violating the Criminal Code. So good that you can. When it is possible to achieve results within the framework of the law, this is what the enterprise, the specialist, and society, and the country as a whole need.
Do you agree?

 

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I agree!
I ask you for the future to consider the following:
Private detectives with Licenses are mostly former employees and they all work exclusively within the legal framework, regardless of what they have written on websites and in offers.
And it is not discussed!
And none of them will rant about their work and methods in the forums, much less discuss it with businessmen.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

I agree!

Thank. I am glad that we have come to an understanding on a really serious matter.

I ask you for the future to consider the following:
Private detectives licensed, these are mostly former employees

Yes, I, in principle, already in the know. And I would clarify: mostly former police officers. This, in fact, is an important refinement, because different power structures have different “sharpened” specialists. And this, in turn, over time leaves its mark on the character and attitude to situations that arise in the work.
This is neither good nor bad, it is just a fact. I understand him this way: there are works that need a former cop. For example, I recently helped to find a person for the position of head of one Security Council. A person with police professional deformation was directly required there (everyone has a “professional deformation”, including you and me, and this is not an offensive word, but simply a characteristic of a group of people with certain experience).
But, say, they don’t take the former cops at all into the Private Military Company. And what’s interesting - at the forum of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, people treat this with understanding - because this is not an insult or belittling of their merits, but only an awareness of the fact that DIFFERENT psychological qualities, experience and skills may be needed for each case.

and they all work exclusively within the legal framework, regardless of what they have written on the sites and in the offers. And it is not discussed!

Here I will allow myself to clarify a little. I know, because of their work and social status, there are a lot of people of different specialties. Including current and former private detectives. Therefore, I can not discuss. If you look at my behavior on this forum, you will see that I generally try to talk about the topic.

But - exactly until the attacks on me personally or my specialty begin. If they begin - I am so educated that I will answer. And, answering, of course, I will begin to carefully look at who, what and how to advertise to whom. I proceed from a simple thing: a person cannot be honest and right in life, and criminal in advertising. On the contrary - it still happens, but like that - no.

Therefore, "Not discussed" - yes, this is fundamentally feasible. But not because I believe in the infallibility of detectives (I don’t believe in anything at all, but prefer to know), but because I have a lot of affairs to do, so that I still engage in empty altercations.

In fact, it seems to me that in this case you are achieving the goal: I don’t go into the details of what the detective said and where, we communicate correctly on the case, and thus benefit each other - and at the same time develop our specialties. Are you comfortable with this option?

And none of them will rant about their work and methods in the forums, much less discuss it with businessmen.

Let me also clarify. Firstly, they still talk about their work on the air. In general terms, without specifics, but they tell. Of course, complete frankness on the air is impossible. She, even in a personal meeting, is not permissible with everyone, and we both know this very well. But the principal points are quite discussed. I’m not about forcing you to share something with me. Of course not. I said it now exclusively to the question "And none of them will be" .

Well, as for the "merchants" - I want to note that you are now, in fact, the same merchant. Becoming an Individual Entrepreneur You have become an objective businessman since engaged in entrepreneurial activity. You just did it individually - without creating a legal entity. What is "entrepreneurial activity" clearly written in the Civil Code.

Of course, you can at the same time remain in your soul a statesman, and a patriot of the country. And even good that it is. And your contacts in law enforcement agencies are no secret to anyone at all: without them, a private detective cannot be successful. And then he won’t get a license at all.
But I want to note that if you and I ever had the opportunity to openly put on the table who made how much for the Russian Federation, it is far from a fact that the list and significance of your affairs would be more than mine. I’m saying this solely to the fact that you don’t have to do measurements where you can just communicate and exchange experiences. In the volume in which everyone considers it necessary.

Do you agree?

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

I agree!
I ask you for the future to consider the following:
Private detectives with Licenses are mostly former employees and they all work exclusively within the legal framework, regardless of what they have written on websites and in offers.
And it is not discussed!
And none of them will rant about their work and methods in the forums, much less discuss it with businessmen.

I support!

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

Evgeny Leonidovich, thanks!
I fully support you!

 

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We agree!
And it's time to stop these disputes, who is cooler, still this is a forum of private Detectives.