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But constantly blaming people who do not have it and depriving them of the right to express their opinion, and even more so comparing the implementation of any activity without a license with FRAUD, is in my opinion not correct, since these actions have a different legal concept.

I agree, Arsen, and without the BH license, we can provide even more services ... And in their design, this is a completely different issue ...

 

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And the request of persons who do not have the status of a licensed detective, to refrain from commenting on this topic.

This is not true, not according to the status of the official BH, especially at this Forum.
Let's read and know the statutory documents of the NP, of which we are members ...

 

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Demitri, I got my first license for BH in 96 and was a BSP (certificate is on my page), and I think it’s not worth building and teaching the MOD members in observing the detective’s “parity” here. Who does not have a license for BH, he will never position himself as a detective from us.

Dear NSK-SB (Andrey), unlike you " it’s not worthwhile here to build and teach members of the MOU in observing the “parity” of the detective "I did not speak out in restricting the expression of my subjective opinion of any of the members of the MOD, this is firstly, and secondly you yourself, expressing your personal opinion for everyone, contradict" Who does not have a license for BH, he will not position himself as a detective from us. " considering that even the name of our organization is the International Association of Detectives! Something like this!)

 

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Dmitry Viktorovich, Good evening! Yes, indeed, we are not licensed, unlike licensed, we are in different weight categories. The difference between us is that you, if you have a license, can call yourself BH, and We do not. But We can call ourselves differently, for example: Lawyers, Information Agents, Security Council employees, Business analysts, etc. And we can do this absolutely legally and carry out all the actions provided for by the Federal Law on NPV. And not only We can do this, but any citizen, only a citizen does not have the right to receive money for this. The license does not give anything good, except the right to perform, the specified actions for money. But she puts a lot of prohibitions and adds a lot of responsibilities. Here, you licensed BH is not entitled to carry out photo-video shooting in private and office premises, without the consent of the relevant persons. And I go, for example, to the FMS, put the video camera on the table to the Head of the District FMS, without his consent, and shoot. No, I am by no means against the license for the implementation of NPVs. But constantly blaming people who do not have it and depriving them of the right to express their opinion, and even more so comparing the implementation of any activity without a license with FRAUD, is in my opinion not correct, since these actions have a different legal concept.

Good evening Arsen! With all due respect to you, in my opinion you are mistaken regarding the legality of performing all the actions provided for in the Federal Law on BH and OD by entities that do not have a license for BHV, as this is directly prohibited by this law. In addition, a private detective with skillful use of the relevant laws and gaps in them, has enough technical capabilities. And the most important distinctive moment in our work, which you naturally know about, we ideally do not have the right to provide services to persons in order to prepare and / or commit and / or conceal any crime, as well as if there is information about what is being prepared or being committed or committed crime inform law enforcement.

 

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Good evening Arsen! With all due respect to you, in my opinion you are mistaken regarding the legality of performing all the actions provided for in the Federal Law on BH and OD by entities that do not have a license for BHV, as this is directly prohibited by this law. In addition, a private detective with skillful use of the relevant laws and gaps in them, has enough technical capabilities. And the most important distinctive moment in our work, which you naturally know about, we ideally do not have the right to provide services to persons in order to prepare and / or commit and / or conceal any crime, as well as if there is information about what is being prepared or being committed or committed crime inform law enforcement.

Dmitry, I’m talking about the collection and analysis of information, but I’m not talking about operational activities! You want to say, if suddenly I need to collect information to ensure security, then without resorting to a private detective, I have no right to do this? And about technical capabilities, which ones ?,
a camera, voice recorder and camcorder, and that’s all. More we mere mortals can not use anything. In our country, laws were full of holes, and they remained so. And if you do not cause significant harm to a citizen or organization in the process of carrying out activities, then there can be no question of criminal liability, except perhaps administrative under part 2, art. 14.1 Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation. And then - it's all written with a pitchfork on the water.

 

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Dmitry, I’m talking about the collection and analysis of information, but I’m not talking about operational activities! You want to say, if I suddenly need to collect information to ensure security, then without resorting to a private detective, I have no right to do this? And about technical capabilities, which ones ?,
a camera, voice recorder and camcorder, and that’s all. More we mere mortals can not use anything. In our country, laws were full of holes, and they remained so. And if you do not cause significant harm to a citizen or organization in the process of carrying out activities, then there can be no question of criminal liability, except perhaps administrative under part 2, art. 14.1 Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation. And then - it's all written with a pitchfork on the water.

Arsen, I am glad that we are polemicizing, but I think that we should not leave the topic of the topic!)

 

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Andrei Valerievich, how do you imagine -

And someone is unlikely to be engaged in checks at the expense of MOD (for free) - does the person actually registered as a BH work or not - who needs it and for what ... ??? If only the Russian Guard - and that is unlikely.

Andrei. In principle, not knowing the number of operating black holes it makes no sense at all to be engaged in any activity within the framework of the detective community, whose interests are probably represented by NP MOD ... if, for example, we have about 200-300 people in the Russian Federation, then fence some kind of garden with some new laws on our activities does not make sense, because in some regions there is no BH at all ..... on the issue of compiling the register, which was mentioned in my post ..... this is included in the NP MOD program of work .... and the question of payment for this work .... the question of NP ..... If you do not do this, then the NP program will not look solid .... once they said, you need to do it ... we are working with colleagues in this direction .... for ourselves, so to speak ... . selectively .... but to cover this issue of the entire territory of the Russian Federation, financing is of course necessary .... and this is precisely a question of NP ....

 

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Andrei. In principle, not knowing the number of operating black holes it makes no sense at all to be engaged in any activity within the framework of the detective community, whose interests are probably represented by NP MOD ... if, for example, we have about 200-300 people in the Russian Federation, then fence some kind of garden with some new laws on our activities does not make sense, because in some regions there is no BH at all ..... on the issue of compiling the register, which was mentioned in my post ..... this is included in the NP MOD program of work .... and the question of payment for this work .... the question of NP ..... If you do not do this, then the NP program will not look solid .... once they said, you need to do it ... we are working with colleagues in this direction .... for ourselves, so to speak ... . selectively .... but to cover this issue of the entire territory of the Russian Federation, financing is of course necessary .... and this is precisely a question of NP ....

Dear Andrei Valerievich, you are respected, as always, right. Unfortunately, those interested in the performance, as well as those who are in question here, are negligible throughout Russia.

 

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I did not speak out in limiting the expression of my subjective opinion of any member of the MOD

How to understand this?

 

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secondly, you yourself, expressing your personal opinion for everyone, contradict " Who does not have a license for BH, he will not position himself as a detective from us. " considering that even the name of our organization is the International Association of Detectives! Something like this!)

I contradict that the detectives are not members of the MOD?

Come on, Dmitry, if we do not understand each other, we will close the discussion.