Independent experts - help or harm

[Anonymous]

Andrei, with regard to the training of “detectives” on how to work according to experts, I think that neither of us would like to learn, but only from real experts in a particular field.
In your statement, you already see the denial of independent expertise, which is why I’m not ready for you to fill this gap in my knowledge, since the information that you can convey to me will be deliberately biased.
I understand more clearly, closer and more interesting the position of Elena as a specialist in this matter.
For some reason, you always omit the moment that BH also works for money, and sometimes for a lot of money, and it can also “fall” for the customer and fulfill the task, even if it runs counter to accepted moral standards, and sometimes the law. For example, somewhere we have already discussed the topic of preparing an alibi.
My conclusion is this (I already said at the beginning of the topic): It’s all about specific individuals, with specific principles, in approaching one’s work as a PROFESSIONAL.

Dear Cyril. In this case, explain to me, not a specialist in this field, that in your understanding there is an “independent examination”. This concept itself already suggests the bias of the expert to the task assigned to him. those. You already immediately call into question any expert opinion on a particular issue.
The conclusion of any expert should be verifiable, regardless of whether the expert conducted it, public or private. This is where the question arises: which of these experts is more independent and from whom or from what?
And here it is not a denial of an independent expert examination, but a denial up to the moment when private expert activity will be based on the corresponding attitude of any expert to his work.
The latest example on the expert opinion is laid out in my slightly different topic.
And the fact that someone is going to control expert activity is the right decision. Everything that is directly connected with the real opportunity to go beyond the framework of constitutional norms, including the right to a fair trial guaranteed to everyone, should and will be monitored. And what the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation has now done by announcing mass voluntary certification of experts has completely got out of state control. How to streamline it now and think officials of several ministries and departments.
I do not want anyone to encounter such "experts" who have several answers to the same questions, depending on the situation.

PS
I have never "laid down" under anyone, and I think that this will not happen. After all, my activity is public, and alas, I value my reputation and authority. Yes, and his business, to which he gave his whole life, first in the sovereign, and then in the private field, I do not just love. For me, my business has become a way of life, not a way to survive ...

 

[Anonymous]

Applause turning into a standing ovation ...!

Can you say something on the topic, or can you clap your hands only? : lol:

 

[Частный детектив. Владивосток.]

Applause turning into a standing ovation ...!

Can you say something on the topic, or can you clap your hands only? : lol:

On the topic, I’m not particularly ... I didn’t come across experts, except only with financial and economic examinations ... According to such examinations, I can say that where there is money, the sword of Damocles is absolutely indifferent to both state and private experts ...
I can clap not only in palms ...

 

[Детективное агентство Москва.]

Andrei, I’m sorry, but out of habit I will turn to “you”, with full respect. It's easier for me to communicate.

"... I have never" laid down "under anyone, and I think that this will not happen. After all, my activity is public, and, alas, I value my reputation and authority. Yes, and my work, to which I gave my whole life, first in the sovereign, and then in the private field, I’m not just in love. For me, my business has become a way of life, not a way to survive ... "

So why do you think that only you have the right to the above statement. Indeed, up to every word, a normal, competent, professional independent expert can say the same to himself. Actually, Elena was trying to convey this thought to you.

"... Dear Cyril. In this case, explain to me, not a specialist in this field, what in your understanding is" independent examination " This concept itself already suggests the bias of the expert to the task assigned to him. ... "

Somehow I don’t catch the point in this statement. In my understanding, if we are discussing an independent examination and say that this is bad, then it follows logically that DEPENDENT EXAMINATION - it's good, this is not an expert’s bias towards the task assigned to him . I do not agree in the definitions on this issue.
Andrei, an expert conducting an examination of damage from road accidents on a contractual basis with an insurance company, is he conducting a dependent examination or an independent one? We know many cases when sovereign experts gave conclusions, those that expected from them. As examples, a large number of accidents with high-ranking officials.

And here it is not a denial of an independent expert examination, but a denial up to the moment when private expert activity will be based on the corresponding attitude of any expert to his work.

Come on, then we will be honest to the end, and rephrase this statement a little:
And here it is not a denial of an independent investigation, but a denial until the moment when private detective activity is based on the appropriate attitude of any detective to his work.
Please tell me this statement has the right to live, and how does it differ from yours?

By the way, we have not heard the head of the transport department for a long time! (this is me about Elena): D

 

[Anonymous]

Cyril, apparently I missed something and didn’t finish something.
In any legal state, there should be state guarantees of responsibility for observing constitutional rights, including such as the right to a fair and objective trial, as well as to other similar constitutional rights.
By the way, when was the last time you just read the Constitution of Russia - the main state law. I think that for a very long time, since all your statements just concern either the reduction or completely replacement of state guarantees with some private ones.
So, if the responsibility of the state is established by constitutional norm, then the state should be responsible for the consequences of violation of these guarantees.
So you agree to the extent that it would be better, of course, that criminal cases be investigated by a private independent investigator, supervised by a private independent prosecutor, and apparently the case was examined by a private independent judge.
I raised the topic not about using or not using independent services, as judges now like to say, private expert services, this is essentially the desire and ability of each participant in the process.
And on state constitutional guarantees for the judicial protection of their rights and freedoms (Article 46), the state guarantee for preventing the use of evidence obtained in violation of the law (Article 50), and most importantly, the state guarantee for compensation for harm caused by unlawful actions of officials of state bodies (Article 53).
And what guarantees can the state give for the actions of private individuals, especially participants in lawsuits?
None. And in this context, the use of non-state experts in litigations is beneficial for the state, since the state is not responsible for their jambs.
And in a different way they cannot be held accountable for the mistakes made, which is why I have already stated above. These participants in the process lack the status corresponding to the Law “On State Judicial Expert Activity in the Russian Federation”. Therefore, the cases of knowingly false expert opinions that have occurred are qualified as ordinary fraud. And as you know, proving the fact of fraud is a very complicated matter, and as we are now identifying, suppressing and investigating crimes under Article 159, everyone also knows.
Therefore, I started this topic only because I wanted to tell you how to identify pseudo-experts at the initial stages, since by chance they were allowed to participate in the trial. And believe me, I have a decent practice in this. Among other things, it may turn out on such a question, they can turn to a private detective, for example, they turned to me.
Therefore, I am currently conducting an investigation into the expert opinion, which was not given by a private expert, but by a state expert, and I think that I can collect evidence that they have been given a deliberately false conclusion. To this end, in January, he visited Moscow and met personally with the head of the Main Directorate of the ECC of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, who also chairs the Interdepartmental Council on Expertise Issues.

 

[Детективное агентство ИКС-Инфо.]

Your thoughts on the topic ...

I will not talk about "independent" experts.
The very concept of "independence" is relative .
I want, as a BRIGHT illustration, to give an example of "suicide"
Former Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine - Kravchenko. His corpse was discovered with two
bullet wounds to the head. Excitation of UD was refused !!
A medical examiner proved that Kravchenko fired
into my head twice INDEPENDENTLY ...

Dear Elena and Cyril in their posts said that not
important - expert sovereign or private !! IMPORTANT then what kind of person he is !!!
He will allow himself to be falsified or not !!!
In this I absolutely support them !!

And conversations on the topic of who is better (more honest, independent) - no more than demagogy .

Yours faithfully

 

[Элен]

I will be happy to use independent experts .... if there are contacts in Novosibirsk or the nearest cities (Barnaul, Tomsk, Kemerovo) - discard, I will definitely communicate ...

Dmitry Nikolaevich, I can advise linguistic experts from Barnaul - Siberian Association of Linguistic Experts: https://siberia-expert.com/ - qualified professionals and decent people.

 

[ДНК]

Your thoughts on the topic ...

I will not talk about "independent" experts.
The very concept of "independence" is relative .
I want, as a BRIGHT illustration, to give an example of "suicide"
Former Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine - Kravchenko. His corpse was discovered with two
bullet wounds to the head. Excitation of UD was refused !!
A medical examiner proved that Kravchenko fired
into my head twice INDEPENDENTLY ...

Dear Elena and Cyril in their posts said that not
important - expert sovereign or private !! IMPORTANT then what kind of person he is !!!
He will allow himself to be falsified or not !!!
In this I absolutely support them !!

And conversations on the topic of who is better (more honest, independent) - no more than demagogy .


Roman ... in my practice there was a case when the head of VOKHR, drunk, shot himself with a pistol at his temple, the bullet clearly went into the right temple (and before that there were two misfires and he reloaded the gun) the bullet came out over his left eye, like then miraculously avoiding contact and destruction of the cerebral cortex .... in short, after a shot and before the ambulance arrived, he was covered in blood, his eyes were swollen with blood, but he was conscious and talked until the ambulance arrived ... survived, only the left was removed eye .... therefore, if life is not sweet for the brow, and the gun didn’t fall out of the hand, then maybe he would pull the trigger a second time ... so as not to suffer ... so ....

Yours faithfully

 

[ДНК]

I will be happy to use independent experts .... if there are contacts in Novosibirsk or the nearest cities (Barnaul, Tomsk, Kemerovo) - discard, I will definitely communicate ...

Dmitry Nikolaevich, I can advise linguistic experts from Barnaul - Siberian Association of Linguistic Experts: https://siberia-expert.com/ - qualified professionals and decent people.

Helen, tell me, are there private, independent, forensic experts?

 

[Anonymous]

I will be happy to use independent experts .... if there are contacts in Novosibirsk or the nearest cities (Barnaul, Tomsk, Kemerovo) - discard, I will definitely communicate ...

Dmitry Nikolaevich, I can advise linguistic experts from Barnaul - Siberian Association of Linguistic Experts: https://siberia-expert.com/ - qualified professionals and decent people.

Helen, tell me, are there private, independent, forensic experts?

Dmitry Nikolaevich, you can choose and talk with forensic doctors at their forum, he is very powerful. There you can ask a question and get an answer. I turned to them, an expert from Ufa responded. In the same way, clarifications were needed on the conclusion of the SME, you won’t believe it, there were so many reviews ....
https://www.sudmed.ru/