Psychology of handwriting. Graph analysis with Inessa Goldberg

[Детективное агентство Тула]

Who cares, I give a link to the source:

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[Инесса Гольдберг]

This essay is like a parable, you think that I do not know about him?
I prefer not to discuss it now, I do not want you to push me against its author
It’s like you didn’t read me, do you remember my words about all the possible manuals?

And something else. You have brought now not what you would like. You want to confirm your words, but the fact is that this is a work on identifying lies in handwriting, and is in no way connected with psychodiagnostics. For lies - there is also a polygraph, a lie detector. The speech in the essay is about momentary lies, and not about the character of a person. It is a pity to post irrelevant materials in the topic of psychology of handwriting. I hope you don’t begin to spread everything that you find on the Internet about handwriting, as an argument that “it existed and was science before”? You know, I will be very glad if you can convince Wikipedia to stop considering this profession a pseudoscience - they did not find anything in Russian that proves the opposite.

I will answer you to the previous message, personally to your words. There is no need to promise about the profession, you can just check this registry in Russia - there isn’t one. Moreover, it was "imperialist pseudoscience."

You know, I do not want to argue with you at all, especially since you yourself are conducting a dialogue along the lines of "maybe there is somewhere ..." something with some kind of conditional name. And now, bring any information in order to justify your assumption (in the penultimate message you were not sure yet).

Please do not be offended by me, but I may know that I am talking about my business. I repeat once again: I know this first hand, I saw all the possible training manuals, old and modern, and now they are sending me from all over the CIS to look at them.

And again, in another way I’ll just try to explain. For many years of work, I constantly encounter your assumptions. Analysis of (just something) handwriting - could never be "secret." Somehow it’s stupid to succeed: all over the world they don’t make a secret of it, read everywhere - books in stores, research, but in the USSR it is terribly secret. This is not terrible psychotechnology or some kind of impact on people. There is no "case" for secrecy. The only explanation for "secrecy" is the lack of serious material.

Believe me, this is not "secret knowledge for special initiates." Why is everything known about related sections - psycholinguistics, psychological analysis of texts, textology, handwriting? Even physiognomy and the study of non-verbal manifestations. But graphology, just a study of the expressive, projective and psychophysiological background of the writing process - is covered in a terrible secret

Yes, I’m still young, I’m only 37 years old, but the fact that some experts worked somewhere before my birth does not change matters. If you are really interested in knowing the truth, are you ready to listen to me? Are you ready to accept that the myths told about the "legendary omnipotent" are only myths?

specialists who, by the handwriting and text of an anonymous document, accurately found its author-performer.

By text, by analysis of printing, paper, envelope or ink - it is possible. But in handwriting? Handwriting gives us valuable, but exclusively psychological (and partly physiological) information, on it as such - not to find a person. If he was found because he turned out to be left-handed (and only one of the suspects was left-handed), this is understandable. If it was found because the handwriting showed signs of parkinsonism, it is also understandable.

However, the handwriting does not carry any biographical data, it does not find children, appearances, facts. How is it that a person is shy or smart, got suppressed in childhood, or is self-confident, you can identify the anonymous author, and even catch him? Believe me, telling such stories is a little exaggerating, and as a rule, they forget to negotiate under what circumstances this happened. They didn’t catch the anonymous person on the street, just in the crowd. It was a narrow circle of suspects, or some very specific evidence (rare pen, etc.).

Let me try to explain to you what is happening in another way. What do you think, if those legendary forensic experts would not receive the handwriting live, but scanned, and it would not be written in Russian (in a language where they cannot understand the meaning of what was written), would they be able to recognize it? I understand that it can be calculated as a foreigner, but let's assume that this Russian man wrote in Hebrew.

 

[частный детектив Хмельницкий]

How to argue , I suggest that such a specialist come and talk about anonymous handwriting - I already gave a link to a very easy option above. Right, handwriting experts work with anonymous letters, but not to be confused: they establish technical nuances, conditions of execution, the approximate gender of a person, examine the drying time of ink, their type, type of paper, etc. - all that may be evidence . Psychological diagnosis cannot be evidence by definition and requires knowledge of general psychology, psychophysiology, psychiatry (psychopathology) - these specialists do not have such knowledge.

The essence of the artificial dispute is highlighted (a real dispute may be between professionals in the field of something) ..... Against such a statement, there is absolutely nothing to say, the above = truth is 150% ........ and I'm just the USSR I wanted to support a little: lol:

 

[Инесса Гольдберг]

Thank you for your understanding, right, there can be a real dispute between those who equally understand what the conversation is about. And the argument can be interesting. If my colleague appears here now (it will be either one of my followers in the CIS or a foreigner), then the discussion can be fascinating, but there will be no dispute about the historical facts (development of science).

Well, the USSR can be supported, and it is probably better to do this in what really takes place. I realized that you are now in the know, that’s all I am writing to those who do not want to be in it.

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

a real dispute may be between professionals in the field of something

Of course, you can’t argue with a professional! : oops:



New is a well-forgotten old, but, necessarily, duly executed by the patent office ...: oops:

 

[Инесса Гольдберг]

Yes, I'm glad that we have a consensus

As for the patent office - this is true in the case when it comes to personal invention or some other copyrighted material, training manual. In the case of science as such, it cannot be someone's personal patent by definition. This is a historically developing scientific field, the efforts of many world-famous scientists are invested in it, which (in the case of graph analysis - prof. Graphologists) are studied in the compulsory curriculum. Even Freud could not patent psychology.

If you want, when there will be a little more time, I’ll tell you about some interesting tricks. I promise, despite the fact that they are not secret in our country, none of the theoretical Russian-speaking agents 007 are aware of this

 

[Частный детектив Днепр]

Hello, Inessa! Dnipro welcomes you to the forum! You are engaged in a very interesting business, I will always be happy to help you! With Uv., Igor.

 

[Инесса Гольдберг]

Igor, I welcome you, probably each enthusiastic person seems to be very interested in their work.
Mutually - I will also be glad to help everyone I can!

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

Graphological test (rural version)

It turns out that a person’s character can be identified by handwriting. This is done by a special science - graphology. You probably noticed that at different times the person’s handwriting changes. If you write a letter, then the letters come out smooth and beautiful. But in a hastily made note, the lines go astray, errors and blots appear.

And yet, no matter what the person writes, he will do it only in his own way. It is on this feature of handwriting that the graphological examination is based. No matter how the craftsmen try to fake the signature or letter of another person, nothing comes of this. Forensic experts will still identify the fake.

Try yourself in the role of expert graphologists. Check your handwriting and the handwriting of your friends.
Learn handwriting and summarize scores:


1. The size of the letters.

Very small - 3 points
Just small - 7
Medium - 17
Large - 20

2. The slope of the letters.

Left tilt -2 points
Slight left tilt - 5
Right Tilt - 14
A sharp tilt to the right - 6
Direct Writing - 10

3. The shape of the letters.

Rounded - 9 points
Shapeless - 10
Angular - 19

4. Direction of handwriting.

Lines “creep up” - 16 points
Straight lines - 12
The lines "slide down" - 1

5. Intensity (referring to the "breadth" of handwriting and pressure force).

Easy - 8 points
Medium - 15
Very strong - 21

6. The nature of the spelling of words.

The tendency to combine letters in a word - 11
The tendency to separate letters
from each other - 18
Mixed style - both of them - 15

7. General assessment.

The handwriting is diligent, the letters are displayed accurately - 13 points;
The writing is uneven, some words are clear, others are difficult to read - 9 points;
The letters are written somehow, the handwriting is sloppy, illegible - 4 points.

Total points:

38 - 51. Such handwriting is observed in people with poor health, in those who are far beyond 80 years old.

52 - 63. So people write timid, timid, passive, phlegmatic.

64 - 75. This handwriting belongs to people indecisive, gentle, meek, with refined manners. They are often a little naive, but not without dignity.

76 - 87. Such a handwriting is in people who differ in straightforwardness and frankness. They are sociable and impressionable, as a rule, good family people.

88 - 98. Achieving such a sum of points is distinguished by honesty and integrity, has a strong, stable psyche, courageous, full of initiative and determination, savvy.

99 - 109. These are individualists. People are quick-tempered and have a sharp and fast mind. Usually independent in judgments and actions, at the same time touchy and, often, difficult in a hostel, as they are absurd and quarrelsome. Among them are gifted people prone to creative work.

110 - 121. People with no sense of responsibility, undisciplined, rude, arrogant have such a style.

I would like to know the opinion of the founder of Grafoanalysis?

 

[Инесса Гольдберг]

Re: Psychology of handwriting. Curve analysis with Innessa Goldb

Dear Konstantin, I already asked you not to drop everything that you can find on the Internet about handwriting here, I don’t want to lose the level of discussion.

And again (I’ve repeated it, and I’m ready to repeat it again) I’ll explain: I am not the founder of graph analysis. Well, physically, one person cannot invent a whole science. I am 37, and the graphological analysis is a little older - originates in France of the 18-19th centuries. Since then, the efforts of many scientists and scientific research (hardware and not) have formed a scientific doctrine in its modern form. I didn’t open anything, except for trifles. I am only a specialist, dedicated to my work and in-depth studying everything that is connected with it.

If you mean by the "founder of graphic analysis" my role in the development of the Russian-language direction of this science, then I accept this conditionally. My contribution is that I brought my discipline to the Russian-speaking space, wrote textbooks, adapted information from foreign sources, and cultivated followers in Russia. For fun, they call me “the mother of Russian graphology” and draw friendly cartoons , but believe me - although I am a "pioneer", I did not invent a bicycle.

P.S. If you say that the above Internet test is compiled by amateurs, it means nothing to say. Graphological analysis is not inherently a "test". Where exactly are these points from? Why are there no most important characteristics of handwriting (everything is simple - the author does not know about their existence)? Why are there so few of them (7 signs!), Why only such answer options? And where are the completely arbitrary conclusions at the end? And why can only 1-2 phrases be written in handwriting?

The author is not aware that not everything can physically “add up” with everything, that there are much more important phenomena in handwriting and there are many more. The test shows that the author does not understand anything in the principles of the analysis of handwriting and thinks that it is an examination of individual details and letters. And it doesn’t occur to him at all that it’s a utopia to ask a layman to characterize his own style. How will a person determine whether his handwriting is medium or large, if he does not know, how many mm. norm. The reader is completely confused about all this by declaring synonymous with spread and pressure: and if someone has strong pressure without wide spread, his handwriting cannot be analyzed?

I invite you to read on my forum (see the site) a special section called "Myths about graphology".