Collectors Private detectives have prepared a new niche of work

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Re: Collectors Private detectives have prepared a new niche of work

No, they will not do. All the violations. Black salary is a violation. And collectors finally can run into extortion. Who will start a contract with a detective or a lawyer? This, whatever one may say, is outside the legal field.
I didn’t even think about this situation at first, for me it is unacceptably simple.

And where is the confidence that they are trying to really recover the black salary? What is not the fantasy of customer collectors? You can say anything.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Re: Collectors Private detectives have prepared a new niche of work

Well, extortion, not extortion, is another question ... However, in the actions of persons who are engaged in the recovery of documented unreasonable debts, in the worst case, a corpus delicti could be found, providing for liability under Art. 330 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (Self-government, i.e. , contrary to the procedure established by law or other normative legal act for any actions, the legality of those involved is disputed by the organization or citizen if significant harm is caused by such actions). , all actions aimed at collecting these debt obligations not within the framework of preparing lawsuits to the judicial authorities can be considered arbitrariness ... In addition, apparently the actions of collectors regarding the collection of documented debts clearly go beyond their “authority”, t. to. collectors, in principle, can organize the collection of debt obligations, having acquired from creditors the right to collect those, which (the right of claim) should be fixed on the basis of documents (loan agreement, etc.). If there are no such documents, collectors, of course, do not can acquire the right to claim the debt from the creditor and, thus, all their actions aimed at organizing the recovery of debt obligations that are not documented can be illegal ... Regarding the role of the black hole in the procedure for proving the existence of debt obligations in terms of non-payment of “black” salaries. .. the question is controversial ... After all, it is easier for a citizen who has not received a “black” salary under an employment contract to make a statement to law enforcement agencies to check for the presence or absence of an offense in the actions of the employer that provides for liability for fraudulent actions (Article 159 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation ) or according to Art. 165 of the Criminal Code ... The same applies to persons working on civil law contracts ... Police officers are obliged to accept this application from a citizen, verify the facts and make an appropriate decision. This decision (as practice shows on such appeals) is usually about refusing to initiate criminal proceedings for lack of corpus delicti, will be a documentary confirmation of the fact of the presence or absence of any debt obligations to the applicant. Moreover, this decision is in the form of a resolution, if the fact of non-payment of wages or remuneration during the verification of the application is established, is a document confirming the fact of debt. It is with this document that you can go to court with a request to collect a debt in the manner prescribed by law ... Something like this ...

Thank.
Explain, if not difficult, a few points.

1. Where does the confidence that debt really is? This is only from the words of a dissatisfied employee. So, in principle, anyone can want money on the basis that, in his opinion, they owe him.

Here's an example from life: an employee was fired for systematically not fulfilling the plan. He ran to the newspaper to tell him that they were in debt ... bonuses. Well, that is, a bonus, in fact: https://eanews.ru/news/society/uvolilsya ... yih_deneg / What prevents the same drive to the collectors and from which it follows that he really must something?

2. In this case, the demand for money is accompanied by a direct threat of the dissemination of defamatory information. Why is this not extortion, and how is it different from extortion?

 

[Роберт]

Re: Collectors Private detectives have prepared a new niche of work

Well, now you understand why no one will do this: D

 

[Александра]

Re: Collectors Private detectives have prepared a new niche of work

Colleagues, thanks for the informative discussion: D

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Re: Collectors Private detectives have prepared a new niche of work

Eugene))) Please read my post more carefully ... You probably didn’t understand something ... It is not about the “client” who has contacted the collectors, but about the “collectors” themselves, which in principle should not be involved in documentary collection not confirmed debt ... ... Everything is written there ... And about the existence of debt ... And about how the presence or absence of any debt obligations can be confirmed or refuted (by a document drawn up at the request of a potential creditor to the police -like practice, by the way) ... So, as Robert correctly pointed out, for BH this is not a "niche" ... And about the differences in the elements of crime-extortion, from arbitrariness is a slightly different topic ... If you want- initiate a separate topic, discuss ...

 

[Детектив-Юг]

Re: Collectors Private detectives have prepared a new niche of work

Maybe you can briefly describe what help BH can provide in working with debtors, in my understanding this:
1. To identify the property of the debtor or the subject of the dispute.
2. Organize meetings of the customer with the debtor.
3. Identify the relationship of the debtor.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Re: Collectors Private detectives have prepared a new niche of work

Victor, hi))) So here the topic is not about this ... But about the fact that the collectors supposedly prepared a "niche" for us to organize the recovery of "black" salaries ... But in principle, of course, that's the whole "sector "services so to speak ...

 

[Детектив-Юг]

Re: Collectors Private detectives have prepared a new niche of work

Victor, hi))) So here the topic is not about this ... But about the fact that the collectors supposedly prepared a "niche" for us to organize the recovery of "black" salaries ... But in principle, of course, that's the whole "sector "services so to speak ...

Hi Andrey!
I read the entire branch.
And we need it, blackmail, installation, and everything that is not forbidden and not allowed?
All this is muddy.
Work so as not to sit idle?
So it's better to sit exactly a month in the usual detective position than to make a bunch of problems and then rake them up for half a year.
You can work on these matters as well, the main thing is clearly defined tasks and, naturally, financing not by results, but by the fact of fulfilling the tasks set.
And with the group of comrades outlined above, this is unlikely to succeed.