And they throw us !!!

[ledi-xo]

Lord detectives! Are you really helping or laughing, like over Michael? If you are a pro, then answer: on the forum-question. We were left unanswered to the lawyer.
Tell me, in the field of commercial real estate 10% of transactions go without paying services to the agency, because the owners of the premises enter into a conspiracy with the customer of the services and - K I D A U T N A G L O !!! In most cases, a contract (lease and purchase of an object) is being drawn up for a third party. , but they’re on the drum. I shoveled what I could in nete (fate of decisions in arbitration and citizen), there is no information about us (realtors), how to help us! Who knows, there have already been cases when a detective investigation was a 100% evidence base in court. The connection between a realtor, a customer of services, an owner and a third party can be established even by phone calls for up to 1 minute. You can carry voice recorders with you or cameras, or bandits from the 90s to take with you to the shows. Signing of preliminary agreements with any party is useless. Anyway, they will deceive us, they will conclude a contract for the amount of tax for 5000 rubles, but in fact the market value is 100 times higher !! ! Where is the practice of such cases from lawyers and detectives, this is the direction that will bring them money. We need to take a subscription. each case is individual, and there are a lot of them. The main thing is interesting here. Who knows, have there already been cases when a detective investigation was 100% evidence in court?

 

[Частный детектив. Timofey. Челябинск.]

We need to think .... So I’m not ready to answer right away, but the topic is very interesting.

 

[ledi-xo]

Thanks Andrew! We are waiting for help!

 

[Виталий Климин]

Hello gentlemen realtors !!!

Gathering evidence is not a problem, the problem is to legalize it for the court, because at the moment the law on PPHD does not allow the detective of the ARD to deal with, and all the evidence collected except for the interviews of witnesses (with their consent, will be outlawed).

The only thing you can advise is to conclude an agency agreement with a deposit with the seller, and receive an advance agent fee with the buyer.

In short, develop a good agency agreement !!! Think over each item !!! And make a precedent in court !!!

 

[Детективное агентство ИКС-Инфо.]

Hello!
My name is Roman. Unfortunately I do not know how to contact you.
If you stay on the air and tell us some details, maybe I can help you with something!
Let's talk

 

[ledi-xo]

My name is Oksana Aleksandrovna (manager of the department). I'm on the air. Everything is written in the contracts, but we can’t get away from the transfer of information and who will forbid, for example, Ivanov having LLC Chamomile to open LLC Clove on himself or his relative.

 

[Частный детектив. Мезрин. Севастополь.]

Good afternoon. Since detectives are illegal in Ukraine, we cannot collect anything lawful for the court. But there are always ways out.
So, most detective agencies in Ukraine operate under the official signs of the media. Accordingly, we can conduct our own journalistic investigations on legal grounds. Materials obtained during such investigations can be submitted to the courts.
Also, we can collect information that could confirm a possible conspiracy of customers and buyers. But this will not be evidence base, but a working material for law enforcement agencies as part of their ORM or investigative actions. That is, all that we can convey to them, they will be forced to process and fix.
As I understand it, you are interested in the problem when the owner concludes an agreement with AN to find a buyer for his property. And then, behind your back, he independently concludes an agreement with him (without you), without paying for your services. If so, drive a clause into the agreement about making a deposit that is not returned to the customer. On the other hand, nothing prevents the owner from managing his property on his own. And if during the contract with you he finds a buyer through you, they can easily do without your services and save on commissions. you can’t forbid him to sell the property. Even during the term of the contract. Therefore, the deposit is the best option, which in any case will remain with you. Set the size yourself.
Also, much depends on how the contract is drawn up and what conditions are reflected in it.
Perhaps I misunderstood the questions posed. In that case, clarify them.
Regards, Yuri.

 

[ledi-xo]

Yuri, even with an agreement from the owner (we also use this practice), even EXCLUSIVE, according to the law of the Russian Federation, no one can force a service customer to make a deal if it is less than ... the amount. Mostly they throw rented rooms. Advance, deposit, prepayment - in the conditions of work in Rostov it is not yet possible, there are a lot of competing monsters, and most importantly, crisisssss, so to speak, put us below the customer of the services (be it the owner or the buyer). They are insolent. And what about The media is a huge thank you to you, you can order an article, but how do law enforcement look at it? our bodies? Maybe this is an article for fraud? That would be healthy. Teach everyone loudly and at once. Maybe we should go to the "police" right away, not to lawyers. Let the arbitration run back, but there are such cases with physicists.

 

[Детективное агентство ИКС-Инфо.]

We talked !! : lol:
The lady did not wait - this is such efficiency. : lol:

Hello gentlemen, realtors !!!

Gathering evidence is not a problem, the problem is to legalize it for the court, because at the moment the law on PPHD does not allow the detective of the ARD to deal with, and all the evidence collected except for the interviews of witnesses (with their consent, will be outlawed).

The only thing you can advise is to conclude an agency agreement with a deposit with the seller, and receive an advance agent fee with the buyer.

In short, develop a good agency agreement !!! Think over each item !!! And make a precedent in court !!!

A few objections to a colleague:
1. What cannot be legalized is not an evidence base.
2. The Detective Activity (ORD) is primarily aimed at the prevention and disclosure of crimes, the evidence base is regulated by PCs (procedural codes) and others. The investigator, on the simple basis that he is a citizen, has the right to give inquiries, receive certificates, information, etc. .P. etc. That is to collect evidence.

Otherwise, I absolutely agree with Vitaly. Only very detailed (a hundred points: lol
the contract can create the illusion of protection. Why an illusion ?? Because, even if the contract is perfect, litigation can drag on for years and even if a realtor wins a dispute, this does not mean that it will be possible to get a lawsuit! But this is pessimism.
Now a little more optimistic.
I do not want to teach realtors their work - I will tell about my experience. A person who signed a competent paper, in 90a% of cases, tries not to violate the conditions. The effect of judicial reluctance is triggered. Well, the remaining 10% are not quite adequate representatives of people. society. But the Lord himself will not insure you from this, not to mention the Stahovites, detectives, etc., etc.
You need a good lawyer next to you who will contract the contract for each specific case. Again A good lawyer and just a lawyer are two Big differences (as they say in Odessa).
Yours faithfully


PS Oksana Alexandrovna, you are asking for not real things — even if Ivanov “cuts off his hands” he will be able to register an infinite number of LLC

 

[Детективное агентство ИКС-Инфо.]

My name is Oksana Aleksandrovna (manager of the department). I'm on the air. Everything is written in the contracts, but we can’t get away from the transfer of information and who will forbid, for example, Ivanov having LLC Chamomile to open LLC Clove on himself or his relative.

I correctly understood - someone from inside the company merges Old?