left homeless

[persinen]

Hello dear detectives. Allow me to introduce my problem for discussion.
I state in chronological order:
- February 2008 I sold a room in St. Petersburg for 1200 000 p. There is a contract of sale.

- March 2, 2008 Signing of 2 loan agreements with Delta + for the amount of 1,000 TR and 200 tr, and the transfer of 1200 tr into the hands of Olga Kirsanova (there is a copy of her passport, lives, most likely in Moscow, takes pictures, has an email, was previously ready to help with everything she can to return my money to me, but, in reality, she is useless, except for testimony) . but this is my IMHO.
There is no receipt in the transfer of funds. There are no witnesses when transferring money.

- during the first ten days of March 2008, Kirsanova sent my money to Delta + investment firm through some kind of front company (with the aim of obtaining an intermediary%,
I didn’t know about such a transfer, Kirsanova herself lied to me that people from Delta would come for the money +)

- According to the director of the company Delta + Chirkov Roman Petrovich, Kirsanov received from Delta + an intermediary%, according to rumors about 60 tr

- April 2008 Swearing, squabbles, “damaged telephone” between me, Kirsanova and Chirkov for an unauthorized money transfer, which was allegedly made in payment for construction materials. There is no possibility of return, because the shell company refuses to accept them.

- May 2008. Kirsanova brought from Moscow and handed over to me personally TR 10 as a monthly% for one of the contracts.
According to Kirsanova, the shell company through which she transferred my money ceased to exist.

I didn’t receive any more money from anyone. In 2008-2009 there were still correspondence and telephone conversations with Chirkov, which did not lead to anything.

At some point (I don’t remember now) Chirkov suggested replacing contracts or numbers. I handed Kirsanova the originals of the contracts in hand, she took them to Moscow and handed them to Chirkov (in the presence of a witness). I have not seen any originals anymore.

From 2009 to the present - Chirkov’s phone 8 (903) 5773220 has long been “unresponsive or temporarily unavailable,” however I don’t need it, because I am not strong in negotiations, and Chirkov himself masterly knows how to break off, to talk about anything.
He ignored my emails all this time. And only now he reluctantly replied that he was working on a solution to the problem and EVER would return my money to me.

I need to find my loan agreements somewhere, probably in the tax, probably in Tyumen and find out the true situation with my money and find at least some opportunity to return it.
There are scans of contracts (thanks to Kirsanova, although she guessed to make them, and not a brainless I-chicken). There are a couple of emails from Chirkov. In addition to Kirsanova, there are a couple of people who are aware of my misfortune and can be witnesses, though they must be run after.
Delta + is not a pyramid. I understand that Delta + is no longer there, that this company has already ceased to exist or has transformed into something else, because there was a letter from Chirkov, which spoke of some kind of reconstruction.
Chirkov Roman Petrovich (originally from Kurgan) lives in Moscow. Where it is registered, what property owns - I do not know. Photo is avaiable. 8 (903) 5773220 has long been "not responding or temporarily unavailable."
Probably, I need to draw up some kind of action plan with prices, so that I can imagine how much I have to earn in order to pay for your services.
This was my only home, I have been living without a residence permit for 5 years. I wander around in other people's apartments.
Thank you for attention. Julia. SPb

 

[Виталий Климин]

in this situation, the chances of a refund are nil ....

 

[persinen]

in this situation, the chances of a refund are nil ....

Well, in general, yes, you are probably right .... somewhere in 2010, in a fit of another tantrum, I wrote somewhere, I don’t even know exactly where, it seems to be on the president’s blog, and then, after a couple of months, they started Letters from different prosecutor's offices came, they called me to the police department, but they didn’t really say anything, they redirected only ...

and therefore, the question is: are there any workarounds to “shake up” this stagnant situation? For example, checking the tax Chirkov, find out if he has money in the accounts, property and so that he knows about these checks. Well, somehow indirectly scare him. I would freeze it on all sides, so that I couldn’t even get on a plane (he used to fly Moscow-Tyumen all the time) - I would quickly figure out where to get the money for me. Well, in all the letters I suggest that he send me money in any parts, at least somehow. I don’t stutter about profit, I would return mine ...

Maybe someone from the respected BH has already come across this particular company and someone knows the name Chirkov.

 

[Селебрити]

Yulia sincerely sympathize with you that such a situation has occurred, but it is impossible to resolve your issue within the framework of the Law.
I will try to find out from the realtors whether in Moscow they encountered a person according to such data .........

 

[persinen]

Yulia sincerely sympathize with you that such a situation has occurred, but it is impossible to resolve your issue within the framework of the Law. I will try to find out from the realtors whether in Moscow they encountered a person according to such data .........

Thank you for your attention. and what can realtors give?

 

[D-Mass]

Hello dear detectives.

Delta + is not a pyramid. I understand that Delta + is no longer there, that this company has already ceased to exist or has transformed into something else, because there was a letter from Chirkov, which spoke of some kind of reconstruction.
Chirkov Roman Petrovich (originally from Kurgan) lives in Moscow. .
Thank you for attention. Julia. SPb

You are absolutely right. The Delta is not a pyramid, but simply scammers. And the tale of a mediation company was invented for many of those who believed them. To date, claims of victims of the activities of Delta + LLC have been satisfied in Tyumen, BUT ... there is no enterprise. Mr. Chirkov has a similar structure in Moscow (consumer cooperative) and the funniest thing in the details is a cell phone. And yes, he is from the Quran (and I come from there, but I'm not like that)
At the moment, what can you advise:
1. Go to court (you have witnesses and photocopies) - because judicial precedent created a decision can be considered in your pocket.
2. Contact the police for fraud.
3. You can hire a detective to search for this person if you have a court decision (as part of the enforcement proceedings), because practice shows that bailiffs are not very eager to search for debtors.
4. Of course, you can search for it this way, but what will we do with it later ???

 

[persinen]

You are absolutely right. The Delta is not a pyramid, but simply scammers. And the tale of a mediation company was invented for many of those who believed them. To date, claims of victims of the activities of Delta + LLC have been satisfied in Tyumen, BUT ... there is no enterprise. Mr. Chirkov has a similar structure in Moscow (consumer cooperative) and the funniest thing in the details is a cell phone. And yes, he is from the Quran (and I come from there, but I'm not like that)
At the moment, what can you advise:
1. Go to court (you have witnesses and photocopies) - because judicial precedent created a decision can be considered in your pocket.
2. Contact the police for fraud.
3. You can hire a detective to search for this person if you have a court decision (as part of the enforcement proceedings), because practice shows that bailiffs are not very eager to search for debtors.
4. Of course, you can search for it this way, but what will we do with it later ???

Thank you Dmitry, for such information! Let me ask a question: what court should I apply to? in Tyumen ?, can you tell me the address, documents are submitted only in person or can this be done by regular mail? And how are testimonies drawn up?

 

[D-Mass]

As a rule, claims in civil cases are considered by the court at the location of your abuser. There are a number of exceptions to this rule: if the dispute concerns immovable property - it must be considered by the court at the location of this property, if the dispute concerns inheritance - it is considered by the court at the last place of residence of the deceased. If you do not know the defendant’s place of residence, you can apply to the court at the location of his property, or at the last place you know his place of residence. Claims for harm to life or health may be brought at the place of residence of the victim or at the place of harm. Claims for divorce may also be brought to court at the place of residence of the plaintiff in cases where he is under a minor or because of health reasons the plaintiff’s departure to the place of residence of the defendant seems difficult for him. There are other exceptions that you can find out in the Civil Procedure Code of the Russian Federation or at a consultation with a lawyer.

Therefore, I recommend contacting the lawyers represented at this Forum - and they will tell you in more detail about the prospects of this case. And if lawyers take it, detectives will help. If you do not find anyone here - contact the PM.

 

[D-Mass]

And by the way, a friend’s Moscow phone works ...

 

[persinen]

And by the way, a friend’s Moscow phone works ...

right now I dialed 8 (903) 5773220- "the subscriber is not responding or is temporarily unavailable" probably put me on the black list
went to look for local lawyers ..