Competitive intelligence in the Premier League business

[JR Security Consulting Group]

Andrey, thanks for the material.

 

[Роберт]

That's it, the thread on the forum ended: everyone reads the dissertation together: D: D

 

[Детектив-Юг]

Andrey, thanks!
An interesting dessert even considering what was written 8 years ago.
But in principle, in recent years, nothing coordinated has changed.
The rest is better not to say anything.

 

[Роберт]

At this stage, I personally am very pleased with the results of this discussion: D

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

When answering a question about the BH operation, based on the practice (for about 13 years of work) in a percentage of about 60%, orders to verify business partners, including potential competitors (scope of verification (excluding analysis of economic activity), is the same , as declared by the Kyrgyz Republic. About 10% - collection of information on criminal cases. About 20% - collection of information on civil cases. On everything else, about the remaining 10% ... Something like this ...

Thank!

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

And regarding the relationship of BHR with the Kyrgyz Republic and the role of BH in the formation of the Kyrgyz Republic, in detail. Using specific texture and analysis, so to speak, in a good dissertation for the degree of candidate of political sciences, Prilukov Mikhail Vitalievich (the text of the thesis is in the appendix) ... Based from the information contained in this scientific work, the NPV in Russia was the basis for the creation of the KR in Russia ...

If we talk about the work of Prilukov, then it says about consultants, then about private detectives and then about security structures. That is, in essence - about the Security Services (they still outsource some of their functions, including to private detectives).
If we talk about how the Kyrgyz Republic appeared in Russia in its classical (western) sense, i.e. as she began to work with open sources and not for purposes related to crime, then here she stands closest to political strategists and is rooted in the elections.

This, in fact, directly follows from the text of the proposed dissertation. Please note that Prilukov, speaking about the initial stage of the Kyrgyz Republic in Russia, notes that it is closely related to security. At the same time, according to his information, at first purely market issues appeared (not related to security guards and the black hole), and then a surge of crime went on, which gave rise to the services of the black hole and security teams. BUT! These were non-market, but rather, corrupt types of work. because “close ties in law enforcement and security agencies” are difficult to attribute to market ones, to put it mildly.
And then, as the market stabilized, and there were fewer rogues, some of the organizations went on to research purely market issues, and some remained working with near-criminal things, becoming, in essence, “Outsourcing Security Service”.

You can see for yourself:

Now about what Prilukov doesn’t have in his work — and this really raises questions — primarily because he did work on political science, and not on security.

In the 90s, the Kyrgyz Republic in its normal form could not be. because it works with open sources and on market issues, and in the 90s there were neither open sources nor the market. Large companies bought pocket ministers and they didn’t need the Kyrgyz Republic. There were no middle ones, and nothing at all was affordable for small ones. And apart from criminal threats, in this way, there was nothing special to work with. But there was a lot of crime - in no small measure because when the Law on Cooperation appeared, private property arose. But the Criminal Code of the RSFSR did not protect private property. He defended only the state, personal and collective-farm cooperative. The legal vacuum has already gone from here.

The subjective unwillingness of law enforcement agencies and the judicial system to work in the market only aggravated this.

So there was a need to settle really existing, but not legally regulated relations, crime turned up and there was a need to do something about it.

And now that there wasn’t any reason for Prilukov’s work. Even in the 90s there was a section of work that required open sources and which was impossible to buy. This is an election. You cannot buy the electorate directly. whether you like it or not, you need to study his moods and desires, identify implicit connections, and so on. And this was done by political strategists. And they became the first experts of the Kyrgyz Republic, not related to security.

However, it is possible that Prilukov did not consciously mention them - because his work is about SECURITY (look at the name, security comes first, and political stability is considered, in my opinion, as a factor of national security).

So it’s a little strange to hear from people engaged in science that these people actually do not know anything about BH activities ... And the work is prepared to be defended by a good specialist in this field ....

It seems to me that you are either very inattentive or very cunning. I asked about the percentage of different types of work in the practice of the Private Detective, and not about what he does.
Well, I remember well your story about what investigation is, as well as the role of OKVED in the life of the enterprise. To me, they also seem quite symptomatic, and informative enough to make corrections to your words.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

And regarding the practical application of our knowledge and the level of training, I think you should not evaluate these indicators by the level of training of people who call themselves employees of some kind of security services and attend "round tables", webinars conducted by the Kyrgyz Republic and at the same time admire the possibilities of obtaining any information from the information, indicated in cash receipts: lol: It all depends on a particular person ... And this, I think, is not disputable ... And as for the need, it’s in our, as BH, services from the representatives of the Kyrgyz Republic, I think there will not be much need, that is to. apparently they are satisfied and their "level" of work to collect information ...

In vain you climb into the bottle and put the word "level" in quotation marks. You thereby, in my opinion, cross out everything else that is said in the cited paragraph.
Quarrel not for long. But why? You have already shown your level of jurisprudence - more than clearly. So, in my opinion, it’s not for you to criticize specialists. It seems to me more correct to put an end to "It all depends on the specific person ... And this, I think, is not disputed ... "Because it really is.

Well, in relation to the Kyrgyz Republic ... Heads of corporate security services find competitive intelligence a valuable tool, but you do not. That says it all, in my opinion.
Strange, really. But as it is.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

... the work is prepared for defense by a good specialist in the industry .... I advise you to read it ... Both theorists and practitioners ... To broaden the horizons, so to speak ...

I agree.

I doubted whether it was necessary to load those present with scientific texts. Many and practically applicable materials are perceived as "water" and "bullshit." But I am glad that the text of the dissertation was perceived positively.

Then I offer you to familiarize yourself with a number of other, purely scientific, and not practical, works on competitive intelligence.

Right here I have a selection on this subject - in the section "SCIENTIFIC WORKS ON THE TOPIC OF COMPETITIVE INTELLIGENCE"

Bersenev V.L., Yushchuk E.L. The phenomenon of competitive intelligence: the foundations of theoretical analysis. Preprint - Yekaterinburg: Institute of Economics, Ural Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, 2009. (.pdf)

Abstract of the dissertation of Magomedova Diana Marsovna for the degree of candidate of economic sciences "Formation and functioning of competitive intelligence in the marketing environment" (.pdf)

The full text of the thesis of Magomedova Diana Marsovna for the degree of candidate of economic sciences "Formation and functioning of competitive intelligence in the marketing environment" (.pdf)

Kiryanov Alexey Evgenievich. "Competitive intelligence at the enterprise in a globalized economy: organizational and methodological support" (full text of the dissertation for the degree of candidate of economic sciences) (.pdf)

Prilukov Mikhail Vitalyevich "The role of business (competitive) intelligence in ensuring national security and political stability in the Russian Federation" (full text of the dissertation for the degree of candidate of political sciences) (.pdf)

Romanova Julia Alexandrovna, Egorenko Anna Olegovna. "Competitive intelligence: a new look in the context of a globalized economy."

Kiryanov A.E. "Business Intelligence Results as a Key Decision Making Tool."


Adashkevich Yu. N. "Competitive intelligence (Business intelligence)"

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

But in principle, in recent years, nothing coordinated has changed.

Changed, and very much. The criminal component has further declined. Security services, in order not to be disbanded or noticeably reduced, have to look for new areas of work.
And these areas appear - which is also significantly different from 2006. For example, the actions of top managers dangerous for the company have become much more sophisticated. Or, for example, fundamentally new sources of both leaks and information appeared on the Internet. These are radical (cardinal) changes.

The rest is better not to say anything.

And you’ll do it very right. You already understood, I think that for every attack I will find the answer. And not emotional, but reasoned. And you will not like him, because I will show the truth, from which not the most pleasant things follow.

At the same time, I hope you do not consider yourself an ideal professional - i.e. knowledgeable and able all in the world? I do not consider myself as such. Therefore, in my opinion, it is better not to snort, but to find something new for yourself in the interlocutor’s information. Which, in fact, we are doing here.
And by the way, your one hundred and first appearance after parting is the best proof of this.
Is not it?

 

[Андрей Захаров]

I read all this ... Yeah ... The discussion takes a slightly different turn ... Evaluation of the level of education: lol: The main thing is that the ratings would be put by "specialists" and not by other persons ... (for example, the assessment of a lawyer-doctors and by specialists in other areas of the national economy, so to speak: lol: (no offense, so to speak) ... As well as evaluations of the ways to “extract” certain information obtained from conversations with each other ... (including on issues of competence the interlocutor in a number of issues, in the resolution of which he positions himself as a specialist) ... Well, okay ... And regarding the role of NPV in the formation of the Kyrgyz Republic, everything is accurately described in this dissertation ... Moreover, the issue of methods of obtaining information ... And the methods of obtaining them are initially-methods specific for work in the field of NPV ... (especially concerning the collection of information from, so to speak, full-time sources-communication with people). Well, we are not scientists you need to work ... What are we doing .... Everyone, after all, earns what he can ... One with what he teaches others to work ... Another in that he works ... And, paying attention to the previous post, you probably don’t need to react so emotionally ... It's just talking on the Internet and that's it ...: lol: And on the subject of that everything in life is changing, of course ... And the development of new technologies undoubtedly affects the ways in which we can do this work ... For this, we need a Forum to learn from each other, so to speak and adopt everything that is useful a place to be ... In particular, ways that facilitate the receipt of certain information using the Internet ... For training in such methods, of course, many thanks to the Kyrgyz specialists at the Forum, including you, Eugene ... And I think- we won’t argue anymore ... We don’t need to take away from ourselves and others the time that has always been there and will be very valuable ... (especially since everyone has already made conclusions for himself). So to say, we will study ...