Theme for discussion ...

[Группа К]

Well, I'll try to refer to the law. Closest to the laws (normative acts) is the court decision (non-normative act). But what if not a court decision (sentence) can serve a detective, lawyer, parties as a guide to action?
And here's what:!:
How does the court decide the case? According to Art. 194 Code of Civil Procedure. Section 6. Decisions of a judge according to my inner conviction guided by law and professional justice ,
And I do not take Article 71 of the Code of Criminal Procedure (Assessment of evidence),
But even from the Code of Civil Procedure it follows that when resolving disputes, one should not be based only on laws, Andrei. And you need to consider your own opinion, too. This Codex says, not me
A detective as well as a lawyer, a notary, an investigator, a prosecutor - subjects of law enforcement - this is what scientific jurists are inclined to do.

Scientists may be inclined .... But there are no rules of law that have clearly established all these positions yet ... But just the opposite .... The law does not grant or even prohibit BHs to use the status of law enforcement officials ... moreover, as rights, and obligations ... (based on the concept of STATUS) ... about which there is a direct reference to the Law .... And as for the internal conviction .... This conviction must be based and motivated by the judge on the basis of the same laws and by-laws (to which decisions made by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation can also be attributed) and this "motivation" should be set out in the narrative of any decision that a judge makes .... Something like this ....

These scholars, Andrei, have trained several generations of lawyers. : roll: A rule of law securing the law enforcement nature of detective activity is already appearing, Andrew. Recently I wrote about 2/99 okpdtr - directly relating our profession to law enforcement (link https://v-chelny.ru/online/za-dostovernu ... t-1-mln-r /)

And the second one.
Andrey, you are mistaken when you say that "BH is forbidden to use status law enforcement officials "In the law to which you refer, the wording sounds differently:" BH is forbidden to impersonate law enforcement officers. "

Agree that the terms "use status "and" impersonating .. "completely different in meaning.
Statement: “I, the detective, are conducting a private investigation and preventing an unlawful act.” absolutely not the same as "I, the detective, carry out a private investigation and impersonate a law enforcement officer."

 

[Группа К]

Colleagues!
You have deviated greatly from the topic originally proposed for discussion!
Do private detectives need an SRO?

no: D (waiting for the prize for the short answer itself): D: D

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

Agree that the terms "use status" and "impersonate .." are completely different in meaning.

Clear pepper!
The exact opposite of 180 degrees ...

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Well, I'll try to refer to the law. Closest to the laws (normative acts) is the court decision (non-normative act). But what if not a court decision (sentence) can serve a detective, lawyer, parties as a guide to action?
And here's what:!:
How does the court decide the case? According to Art. 194 Code of Civil Procedure. Section 6. Decisions of a judge according to my inner conviction guided by law and professional justice ,
And I do not take Article 71 of the Code of Criminal Procedure (Assessment of evidence),
But even from the Code of Civil Procedure it follows that when resolving disputes, one should not be based only on laws, Andrei. And you need to consider your own opinion, too. This Codex says, not me
A detective as well as a lawyer, a notary, an investigator, a prosecutor - subjects of law enforcement - this is what scientific jurists are inclined to do.

Scientists may be inclined .... But there are no rules of law that have clearly established all these positions yet ... But just the opposite .... The law does not grant or even prohibit BHs to use the status of law enforcement officials ... moreover, as rights, and obligations ... (based on the concept of STATUS) ... about which there is a direct reference to the Law .... And as for the internal conviction .... This conviction must be based and motivated by the judge on the basis of the same laws and by-laws (to which decisions made by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation can also be attributed) and this "motivation" should be set out in the narrative of any decision that a judge makes .... Something like this ....

These scholars, Andrei, have trained several generations of lawyers. : roll: A rule of law securing the law enforcement nature of detective activity is already appearing, Andrew. Recently I wrote about 2/99 okpdtr - directly relating our profession to law enforcement (link https://v-chelny.ru/online/za-dostovernu ... t-1-mln-r /)

And the second one.
Andrey, you are mistaken when you say that "BH is forbidden to use status law enforcement officials "In the law to which you refer, the wording sounds differently:" BH is forbidden to impersonate law enforcement officers. "

Agree that the terms "use status "and" impersonating .. "completely different in meaning.
Statement: “I, the detective, are conducting a private investigation and preventing an unlawful act.” absolutely not the same as "I, the detective, carry out a private investigation and impersonate a law enforcement officer."

I say ... read the law "with a pencil in his hand", as one "scientist" said))))
Section I. GENERAL PROVISIONS

Article 1. Private detective and security activities
This Law defines private detective and security activities as the provision on a fee-based contractual basis of services to individuals and legal entities that have special permission (license) of internal affairs bodies by organizations and individual entrepreneurs in order to protect the legitimate rights and interests of their clients.
(as amended by Federal law of 22.12.2008 N 272-ФЗ)
Citizens engaged in private detective and security activities are not subject to laws that enforce the legal status of law enforcement officials.
Citizens engaged in private detective activities are not entitled to carry out any operational-search actions attributed by law to the exclusive competence of the bodies to which such a right is granted.
(as amended by Federal Law of 22.12.2008 N 272-ФЗ

Pay attention to the phrase "Citizens engaged in private detective and security activities do not apply laws that enforce the legal status of law enforcement officers." .... And this is the Law .... And the phrase you refer to is completely from another article of the same Law ... You should probably read the whole text ... and not just what you want)))) (such a joke)))))
Regarding the "profession" ... this amendment was introduced so that educational institutions could train people for a "private detective")))) and no more ... due to the fact that to conduct training for a profession that does not exist (according to the canons of the Ministry of Education) is not possible .... therefore, they included this profession on the list .... But this does not change the essence of the matter, so to speak ....

 

[Группа К]

So what? the phrase "For citizens engaged in private detective and security activities, the laws that enshrine the legal status of law enforcement officials do not apply." it means only that the detective’s activity is regulated by his detective law, and not by the law on service in the Russian Federation Internal Affairs Directorate and other by-laws.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

So what? the phrase "For citizens engaged in private detective and security activities, the laws that enshrine the legal status of law enforcement officials do not apply." it means only that the detective’s activity is regulated by his detective law, and not by the law on service in the Russian Federation Internal Affairs Directorate and other by-laws.

I consider some sort of debate in this direction pointless .... What is said is said ... but how someone understands what is his business ... (though this understanding must also be justified by something ... but yes, okay. .on the basis of all the rules of law, and not selective.)))) I just state the existence of this Law ....

 

[Роберт]

But you don’t need to argue, you need to change all this legislative garbage.

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

Russian private investigators unite in SRO and develop

Russian private investigators unite in SROs and develop industry self-regulation.

Private detectives announced the creation of the first industry-wide all-Russian self-regulatory organization. The largest "Association of Detective Professionals" and the "oldest" Association of Private Detectives of Russia, with the support of independent detectives, decided to merge private detectives, the National Detective Bureau, into a Self-regulatory Organization. This is with reference to the President of the All-Russian public organization "Association of Investigation Professionals" Sergei Lyubimenko reports media portal "Guardian". He was chosen as the head of the SRO of private detectives, the National Detective Bureau.
“The main task that the self-regulatory organization of private detectives sets for itself, with the support of the Coordinating Council of the Non-State Security Sphere (NSB) of Russia, the Community of Leaders of Public Organizations of the Detective Industry and the All-Russian Union of NSB, is to build the concept of the Detective Activity Strategy within the framework of National Security Strategy 2020, the Concept of Public security and the concept of development of the NSS, ”shared Lyubimov’s plans.
In addition, the self-regulatory organization of private detectives identified the main goals of their activities. Among them: the development of the sphere of detective work; legalization of the detective industry; creating a positive image of a private detective; assisting state authorities in solving crimes within the framework of the current legislation.
The new SRO “National Detective Bureau” proposes to include in the resolution of the IV All-Russian meeting “NSS - Keepers of Russia!”, Which will be held on February 9, theses on the need to use self-regulation in detective activities and the creation of professional and industry standards for a private detective. During the “Security Month” in February 2016, the SRO plans to conduct industry events dedicated to the self-regulation of detective activities and to highlight a number of relevant positive practices.
At the same time, another self-regulatory organization has already prepared amendments to the Law of the Russian Federation dated 11.03.1992 N 2487-1 (as amended on 07/13/2015) "On private detective and security activities in the Russian Federation", fixing the mandatory establishment of an SRO of a private search. SRO NP “Alliance of Specialized Security Enterprises”, in particular, proposes to define private detective and security activities as the provision of services to individuals and legal entities on a fee-based contractual basis by organizations and individual entrepreneurs issued by a self-regulatory organization in order to protect the legitimate rights and interests of their customers.

Shunyaeva Diana

Especially for the Information Portal “All About Self-Regulation” (All About SRO)

https://www.all-sro.ru

 

[Группа К]

No one is aware of whether it is possible to renew my license ahead of schedule. I'm afraid when the time comes to submit documents for renewal - there will be no other way to do this except through the SRO. : evil:

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

No one is aware of whether it is possible to renew my license ahead of schedule. I'm afraid when the time comes to submit documents for renewal - there will be no other way to do this except through the SRO. : evil:

I'm waiting for you.
Together we are stronger than you might think.
I WILL NOT ALLOW FROM US TO DO DONORS !!!
That is why I urge the "normal boys" to send the Kremlin boys to X .., do not go to me, you will not rake !!!
I PERSONALLY DO NOT ALLOW THOSE TO THINK ...