question of the Kyrgyz Republic

[Детектив-Юг]

Where you went all wrong.
I repeat once again.
: D
For example, I walk down the street and find a postcard (with computers similarly). Raise, read: D. There are all addresses and a purely personal text. What did I violate in accordance with the current legislation of the Russian Federation? What is my punishment? : D
I just want to understand that according to the law, in this case I violated.
It is important. Because customers need information. Scouts are looking for through analysis of open sources, this does not apply to them. And we? Here is the simplest case. Is anyone here to blame or not? : D

By law, 50% is assumed, but! This card is divided in half between the owner of the card and the one who found it.
Previously, the finder was supposed to be 25% and the rest went to the state.
But if someone does not agree, then go to court ....: lol:: lol:: lol:: lol:

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Dear colleagues))) Answering a number of questions related to the Law on the Protection of Personal Data, you should probably pay attention to the following circumstances (circumstances referred to in the Law itself):
- The scope of this Law, i.e. which legal relations are regulated by this Law.
Article 1. Scope of this Federal Law
1. This Federal Law shall govern relations related to the processing of personal data carried out by federal government bodies, government bodies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, other state bodies (hereinafter referred to as state bodies), local governments, other municipal bodies (hereinafter referred to as municipal bodies) , by legal entities and individuals using automation tools, including in information and telecommunication networks, or without using such tools, if the processing of personal data without the use of such means is consistent with the nature of actions (operations) performed with personal data using automation means, that is, it allows, in accordance with a given algorithm, to search for personal data recorded on a physical medium and contained in file cabinets or other systematic collections of personal data, and (or) access to such sleepy data.
2. The effect of this Federal Law does not apply to relations arising from:
1) the processing of personal data by individuals exclusively for personal and family needs, if this does not violate the rights of subjects of personal data;
2) the organization of storage, acquisition, accounting and use of documents containing personal data of the Archival Fund of the Russian Federation and other archival documents in accordance with the legislation on archival affairs in the Russian Federation;
3) has lost force. - Federal Law of 25.07.2011 N 261-ФЗ;
4) the processing of personal data referred in the established manner to information constituting a state secret;
5) the provision by authorized bodies of information on the activities of courts in the Russian Federation in accordance with Federal Law of December 22, 2008 N 262-ФЗ "On providing access to information on the activities of courts in the Russian Federation"

Based on the meaning of this norm, part 1, this law does not regulate all activities related to the collection and storage of personal data, but only activities that are associated with “databases-”, i.e. Not just related to personal data, but PD recorded on material media and contained in file cabinets or other systematic collections of personal data ... ”, allowing, in accordance with a given algorithm, to search for personal data ... Further, in the text ... So Thus, data collection activities that are not related to the use of the DB by this Law are not regulated and, accordingly, are not regulated ... Simply put, this law does not apply to the methods of collecting information that can be implemented without using the database ... Hence, the corresponding conclusions...

regarding Part 2 of the above article, these relations are also directly related to the database ... If there are no databases, this Law is not acceptable ...

Further, regarding persons who may, in accordance with this Law, carry out the activities of an “operator” under this Law ...
Section 6. Conditions for the processing of personal data
1. The processing of personal data must be carried out in compliance with the principles and rules provided for by this Federal Law. The processing of personal data is allowed in the following cases:

2) the processing of personal data is necessary to achieve the goals stipulated by the international treaty of the Russian Federation or the law, to carry out and fulfill the functions, powers and obligations assigned to the operator by the legislation of the Russian Federation;

As follows from the disposition of this paragraph, a person can process the data contained in the database, if necessary to achieve the goals ... (hereinafter) ...
Based on these provisions of this Law, the BH has all the features reflected in this paragraph ... (see the Federal Law on BH and IOD)
Article 1. Private detective and security activities
Private detective and security activities are defined by this Law as the provision on a contractual basis of services to individuals and legal entities that have special permission (license) of internal affairs bodies by organizations and individual entrepreneurs in order to protect the legitimate rights and interests of their clients.

Proceeding from this provision, the Federal Law on the Black Sea Region and the Black Sea Region IOD have the goal of protecting the rights and legitimate interests of their clients, which they exercise by providing services within the framework of the functions, powers and duties established by the Law ... So that everything fits ...

A complete analysis of the above Law requires a lot of time ... Which is sorely lacking ... If you want, try to analyze it in full .... Then the picture will become more complete and clear ...

 

[Детектив-Юг]

Colleagues we argue about common truths.
A working detective will always easily receive any information as part of his business.
Everyone works to the best of their abilities and needs.
And as for ownership in personal use of the bases of state structures, this is an empty chatter.
And it’s not worth raising this question at all.
It is no secret to anyone that a strict accounting of all ongoing requests to official service databases has been established.
And it is right.
In the near future, the Internet will be cleaned and more stringent laws will be written, but detectives as they worked and will work.

 

[Роберт]

Given the opinion of colleagues, I dare to suggest that this law will not be able to prevent detective work in any way. Personally, I have come to this conclusion.

 

[Детектив-Юг]

Given the opinion of colleagues, I dare to suggest that this law will not be able to prevent detective work in any way. Personally, I have come to this conclusion.

Robert!
It seems to me you are respected 100% right.
Detectives now no one owes anything, and by and large they also do not need anyone.
In addition, people work in detectives not by the end of vocational schools.
Emerging issues are being resolved now and will also be resolved in the future, regardless of external stimuli ..

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Emerging issues are being resolved now and will also be resolved in the future, regardless of external stimuli ..

That is yes. Just, as I understand it, it's not that the problems are insoluble, but about identifying them in advance and not substituting (for a fine and loss of time for unsubscribing).

Given the opinion of colleagues, I dare to suggest that this law will not be able to prevent detective work in any way. Personally, I have come to this conclusion.

In this case, I would pay attention not only to the question of collecting information, but also to the question of its processing. For PD, which can be automatically processed, certain requirements are presented in the ZoPD. And this is more than "closing a room with a file cabinet with a key."
How much such situations occur in BH practice, however, I do not know.

 

[Детективное агентство Москва.]

As follows from the disposition of this paragraph, a person can process the data contained in the database, if necessary to achieve the goals ... (hereinafter) ...
Based on these provisions of this Law, the BH has all the features reflected in this paragraph ... (see the Federal Law on BH and IOD)
Article 1. Private detective and security activities
Private detective and security activities are defined by this Law as the provision on a contractual basis of services to individuals and legal entities that have special permission (license) of internal affairs bodies by organizations and individual entrepreneurs in order to protect the legitimate rights and interests of their clients.

Proceeding from this provision, the Federal Law on the Black Sea Region and the Black Sea Region IOD have the goal of protecting the rights and legitimate interests of their clients, which they exercise by providing services within the framework of the functions, powers and duties established by the Law ... So that everything fits ...


Andrei Valerievich, that’s how it is, only we must not forget that jobs for processing personal data must be certified. Therefore, if everything is done according to the law, then you should invite a company that has the right to verify such jobs and issue a certificate of compliance with all the norms and requirements of the workplace for the processing of personal data. And it also costs a certain amount of Russian rubles. And we must note that after certification your workplace is lit up and they can come to you and check how you comply with all the rules and regulations for the protection of personal data.
Something like that.

 

[JR Security Consulting Group]

And the storage of the same data should also be carried out in accordance with defined standards.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Cyril))) All this is right ... The topic is, according to the Law, not raised in order to “create and store”, but in order to, as Yevgeny correctly noted, know and not break, so to speak ... And about the fact that BH worked and will work, no one will doubt it))) The main thing is to know where you can fall and, if possible, mitigate the "fall"))))

 

[Бедеров Игорь Сергеевич]

In addition, people work in detectives not by the end of vocational schools.
Emerging issues are being resolved now and will also be resolved in the future, regardless of external stimuli ..

Yeah, i.e. we are seriously discussing the legitimacy of the Kyrgyz Republic according to sources that are open and accessible, but "pounding" with colleagues is normal ....: D I'm losing weight with you ...