how to determine the hidden number

[Евгений СБ]

I completely agree with Ruslan. Determine the incoming number on your phone - no problem. Therefore, this check does not give anything. And debiting money when calling this number is probably inevitable.

 

[vshamshev]

Purely technically this, I think, of course is possible ... However, it is necessary to have an "exit" to the operators ... As you can see from the site, allegedly there is a connection with the operators of Ukraine ... How are things with the operators of Russia and other countries, is not known. .. (not even declared). However, this directly violates the rights of citizens ... And in this case, dear colleagues, the “scam” is probably not inevitable ... (as practice shows)

OK. Let's talk about the rights of citizens, or rather, about their violation.

Firstly. Take the moral side. To get started, let's answer the question: " Who needs to call from hidden numbers? "

1. This is necessary for business people to make appropriate (in the case) calls.
At the same time, in order to protect themselves from idle chatter with whom it is not necessary, they are forced to hide their number. Everything is clear here. Yes, in general, these ordinary people do not really need to know the numbers of business people. Everything is clear here.

2. Unfortunately, it happens that those who have something to hide hide their number. This is the so-called the villains are "jokers." Only their jokes are evil for some reason: insults, threats, blackmail, extortion, etc. It turns out we are worried about the rights of those who themselves violate these rights first.

For such cases, the service for determining the numbers works. How to find out the hidden number? Say that they say the police / police, the operator and the printout should help? Let’s think how ready they are to protect the rights of victims of telephone hooligans?

Suppose this situation: they call at night - interfere with sleep - wake up. It doesn’t matter whether they say disgusting or not. But there is no crime.
The police. - Do you think she will deal with this? Do you think someone will go there? If only because everyone knows that no one will understand it.
Operator. - You can call the operator. Ask who they say called me? What's the point? The operator will not say anything. They need to receive money for the additional AntiAON service.
Printout. “Already better.” Only there are nuances (in different mobile operators their own set):
- it can only be obtained at the Call Center (Subscriber Service Center)! At dealer points of sale / service - no. And there is only the Central Administrative Center in regional centers and large cities.
- it, usually, can only be obtained by CONTRACT subscribers. Who is on the contract? Which%?
For example, in Ukraine, a contract is used mainly only if it is corporate i.e. working. But ordinary people do not.
At one time, MTS weaned everyone from the contract with fines and courts.
- before you get the printout - you need to activate it in advance.
- in some operators, a printout is given only for the past month. Those. You can see calls for June 10 only in July. And also provided that you activated it, in advance, in May.
- it can cost money.

Secondly. First you need to decide whose rights are initially violated?
Anonymous called me from a hidden number - the number was declassified. It turns out his rights were violated?
Or were MY rights initially violated? Since they dared to call and hide my number on MY phone?
Did someone ask me: Do I want, what would I call on my phone from a hidden number ??

Thirdly. The operators then in this case regulate the rights of citizens very simply - "Whoever pays the most is right." No associations arise !?
- By default, the incoming number is determined. Everyone is equal - everyone is happy. By the way, everyone is connected by default free service AND HE .
- Caller connected for money a favor AntiAON . Now ordinary subscribers can not see the incoming number. AntiAON Beats Caller ID
- The called party for more money connected the service Super Caller ID . SuperAON defeated AntiAON.

Everything is simpler than “Stone, scissors, paper” - and you say the rights of citizens.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Responding to the previous message about the violation of citizens' rights, one can probably focus on the fact that the identification of the number of the hidden subscriber is available not to the subscriber whose number was called, but to third parties who want to know this number without the participation of the subscriber mentioned above ... That's because what’s the violation ... Although, in fact, it’s necessary for someone other than the person who called from the hidden number to determine the number ...: lol: The absurdity of the situation ... But in fact, the provision of such a service to the person who called from hidden numbers-explicit scam, because this subscriber himself can determine this number in the ways indicated by colleagues ...

 

[vshamshev]

Responding to the previous message about the violation of citizens' rights, one can probably focus on the fact that the identification of the number of the hidden subscriber is available not to the subscriber whose number was called, but to third parties who want to know this number without the participation of the subscriber mentioned above ... That's because what’s the violation ... Although, in fact, it’s necessary for someone other than the person who called from the hidden number to determine the number ...: lol: The absurdity of the situation ... But in fact, the provision of such a service to the person who called from hidden numbers-explicit scam, because this subscriber himself can determine this number in the ways indicated by colleagues ...

Thanks for the comment! I will add my thoughts.

1. "... is it possible to determine the number of a hidden subscriber not to the subscriber whose number they called, but to third parties? ..."

In this case, the subscriber delegates to the agency his right to determine the number. That's why it is called the "Agency" - an institution that performs a certain state, public, social function.
In this case, the mission is to ensure the safety and comfort of the subscriber.

2. Even the mobile operators themselves, taking money for the provision of AntiAON and SuperAON services, do not guarantee their 100% work. More precisely, they guarantee only under certain conditions. Those. the operators themselves admit that the number may be disclosed. Further from the MTS website:

ANTI-DEFINITION OF THE ROOM - FEATURES OF USING THE SERVICE
After successful activation of the service, your number will be hidden for all outgoing calls.
The service works correctly if the calling and called subscribers are on the territory of the MTS Ukraine network. The prohibition of dialing outgoing calls to numbers of subscribers of other networks, including city networks, is not guaranteed.

SUPERRESCRIBER NUMBER - FEATURES OF USE OF THE SERVICE
The service works correctly if the calling and called subscribers are in the coverage area of the MTS Ukraine network. Calculation of subscriber numbers of other networks in roaming is not guaranteed.


3. As for the scam, I can not agree. And here's why: the subscriber can of course determine the hidden number, but under certain conditions, which I wrote about earlier:

Printout. “Already better.” Only there are nuances (in different mobile operators their own set):
- it can only be obtained at the Call Center (Subscriber Service Center)! At dealer points of sale / service - no. And there is only the Central Administrative Center in regional centers and large cities.
- it, usually, can only be obtained by CONTRACT subscribers. Who is on the contract? Which%?
For example, in Ukraine, a contract is used mainly only if it is corporate i.e. working. But ordinary people do not.
At one time, MTS weaned everyone from the contract with fines and courts.
- before you get the printout - you need to activate it in advance.
- in some operators, a printout is given only for the past month. Those. You can see calls for June 10 only in July. And also provided that you activated it, in advance, in May.
- it can cost money.

Suppose a subscriber needs to go to the Central Administrative Office, which is located only in the regional center. Distance - 70 km. The road is $ 7.5, the listing is $ 2.5. Lost working day - $ 20. Total: $ 30 + Lost time and nerves are priceless.
So consider where there is a scam.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Regarding the previous message ... Third parties who officially have no relation to the mobile network operator, but clearly have (or are trying to have) access to the capabilities of the mobile network operator ... And therefore, in this case (access of third parties) persons) -a violation of the law is inevitable, and therefore the probability of a "scam" is very high ... Something like this ...

 

[vshamshev]

Regarding the previous message ... Third parties who officially have no relation to the mobile network operator, but clearly have (or are trying to have) access to the capabilities of the mobile network operator ... And therefore, in this case (access of third parties) persons) -a violation of the law is inevitable, and therefore the probability of a "scam" is very high ... Something like this ...

Then you have a question: what do you mean by the term "scam"?
I understand that a “scam” is when the direct clients of this organization / activity are deceived.

In this case, the subscribers who applied for help / service to this service in order to determine the hidden number receive this particular service. And accordingly, they are satisfied.
Conclusion: the "scam" service in relation to subscribers is not.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

In response to the previous message ... That the “scam” was verified in this topic (see the whole dialogue) Tried to set a hidden number - those who promised this service could not do this (therefore, the client was not satisfied, so to speak) ... Hence the conclusion about the "scam")))): lol:

 

[vshamshev]

In response to the previous message ... That the "scam" was checked in this topic (see the whole dialogue) We tried to install a hidden number - those who promised this service could not do it (Therefore, the client, so to speak, was not satisfied) ... Hence the conclusion about the "scam")))): lol:

I re-read the whole topic, but I did not find this statement. If possible, specify the exact date - time - message login.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

On June 7, Matushkin didn’t determine the number, stating that the numbers he provided “for some reason” were not determined ...: lol: Although he gave some kind of familiar number ...

 

[vshamshev]

On June 7, Matushkin didn’t determine the number, stating that the numbers he provided “for some reason” were not determined ...: lol: Although he gave some kind of familiar number ...

Who didn’t determine? And who declared that they are not determined?

If you are talking about a dialogue on a forum, then his last message was as follows:

"OK.
Let's do an experiment tomorrow. "