Sobre detetives particulares.

[Игорь Коракс]

Re: Detetives particulares querem estar "dentro da lei"

Panqueca!!
Outro ladrão na lei ... Já entendemos ...
Se não houver instruções sobre como respirar, então não estamos respirando de acordo com a lei ?? !! :?
FODIDO ...: lol :: lol:

PS
Igor! Essas observações não são para você ...
Indignação com o endereço " Diretor do Gabinete de Detetives Feodosiy Yushchenko ": P

By the way, no mesmo tema em paralelo e a trama estava na TV, por que eles começaram a se mover https://ukrvideo.com/ukraine/deyatelnost ... ntirovana /

 

[Детективное агентство. Украина. Харьков. Львов.]

Why are private detectives still outlawed?

Alyona Blokhtur, Glavkom

Private detective work in Ukraine is still illegal. It seems that law enforcement agencies are afraid of losing their monopoly on crime detection activities, which hinders the adoption of the relevant law. But the lack of efficiency of the police or distrust of it leads to the fact that even the absence of the law does not restrain the demand for the services of private detectives. That is why detective bureaus are being set up and are functioning, and there are about two dozen of them in Kyiv alone. Most often, Ukrainians are interested in the problems of misappropriation of apartments, theft of property, as well as the collection of information related to business and personal life, in particular, complex divorces or love triangles. Such services are not cheap, for example, for tracking the wrong man will have to pay a hundred dollars an hour.

Oleg Petrov, director of the National Detective Bureau of the Ukrainian Section of the International Police Association, Feodosiy Yushchenko, director of the Detective Bureau, and Oleksandr Kosharnyi, vice president of the Police Auto Corporation of Ukraine, spoke about this at the Glavkom press center.

Alexander Kosharny: The situation with private detectives in Ukraine is still in its infancy. Private detective agencies exist in almost all European countries. Their functions and tasks are almost the same as those of law enforcement agencies - it is the disclosure of crimes and criminal and administrative, some individual confidential cases. When citizens of different countries for some personal reason can not apply to law enforcement agencies, their functions are taken over by private detective agencies. For example, in Russia, private detective work has been conducted legally since 1992.

In 2000 and 2010, there were attempts to legislate private detective work. Draft resolutions of the Verkhovna Rada on the adoption of the draft law of Ukraine on private detective investigations were submitted by deputies Moysyk, Shvets, and Karmazin.

We have legalized private notaries, private lawyers, private law firms, and ultimately private security firms that protect individuals, movable and immovable property, and private detective work still does not exist in law. Although some detective agencies have been set up, they operate without legislative support.

The Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Security Service of Ukraine, the Service for Combating Economic Crimes, and criminal investigation officers receive a huge flow of allegations of crimes. There are 40-60 reports per operative, ranging from thefts of bicycles, rabbits or chickens, burglaries, to robberies and murders. The creation of private detectives would be part of the detection of crimes if there was a law on the activities of private detective agencies. It is desirable that amendments be made to the Code of Criminal Procedure so that the evidence gathered by private detectives is in court on a par with that of state law enforcement. This would give a positive result and generally improve the operational situation in the fight against crime in Ukraine.

Feodosiy Yushchenko: There were bills on private detective work, but they did not find support in the Verkhovna Rada. We organized a Detective Bureau in 2003 and hoped that a law would be passed soon. Nine years have passed and there is no law, so we are engaged in security activities. But since the appropriate name remains, we are approached by many people. For example, someone's apartment was fraudulently confiscated, or property was stolen. The police may refuse to initiate a criminal case under Article 6, paragraph 2, ie in the absence of corpus delicti due to the insignificance of the amount, or simply do not have time to solve the problem due to the large number of cases. And a private detective would take the case and bring it to an end. Especially since there are many retired or retired professionals who have worked for 20-25 years in criminal investigation, in special forces and have skills in this work.

In Russia, this law has been in force since 1992. It applies not only to operational units of the FSB, police, border troops, the state penitentiary system, but also to private detective agencies. They are given the same powers as police officers - the use of weapons, operational measures, without which it is impossible to investigate crimes. This law also stipulates that a private detective must report to law enforcement if he sees that the actions of some people constitute a crime or are trying to commit a crime.

Alexander Kosharny: In 2005 or 2006, an owl unit was established within the Ministry of the Interior, which included retired or retired operatives, all of whom were positive, professional, and trained people. They were paid little, but they were allowed to carry traumatic weapons and they investigated some minor crimes. One of the workers died during the detention of a criminal in Kyiv, after which the work of the unit slowly subsided.

What questions are you most often asked as a private detective?

Oleg Petrov: Gathering information that can happen in different ways is either observation or analytical information from different sources. Appeals can be related to business or private life. Private life is mainly family issues related to divorce proceedings, love triangles.

Are you investigating whether you are committing particularly serious crimes?

Oleg Petrov: No. We do not have normal interaction with the police. If it is, then only on personal contacts, so it's all complicated. We have a very correct attitude to them, they do not understand us. In countries where there is a law, a private detective has the full right to represent the interests of the customer in court and in all instances that are relevant. This is a very important point, because in order for operational monitoring to be legalized, the sanction of the prosecutor and all other investigative actions are needed, otherwise it will have no evidence, although it is effective.

We do not have a law, but can the offices of Russian private detective agencies, which are legal in Russia, work on the territory of Ukraine?

Oleg Petrov: They will work according to the law of Ukraine, which does not exist. The laws say that what is not forbidden is allowed. That is, if the law is not broken, they can gather information. In Ukraine, branches of Russian detective agencies work, but only as individuals in the person of a lawyer or someone else who can represent interests.

Why do you think the government is slowing down the law?

Oleg Petrov: Not only does he not consider this issue. If you take this profile, it is a law on protection, on weapons. Other countries have long accepted this, even the same Russia. It would be much more correct to legalize all these relations, and we have a chaotic market of some kind, where everyone, due to their capabilities and connections, does what they consider necessary. We are all afraid of losing the state monopoly on actions that are related to the detection of crimes.

Feodosiy Yushchenko: It is unprofitable for someone for this law to work. In Russia, the law came into force under Yeltsin just as democracy was on the rise. Under the current regime in Russia, it would have been stopped, but it is impossible to do so.

How do you see the competition between private detective agencies and the police?

Oleg Petrov: There is no competition as such, even if a law is passed, because everyone has their own tasks, their own market. We have paid services, that is, if a person comes and pays for the service, then the work is done. The police do this work because it is functionally assigned to them. Here everything is distributed, and here everything is simple.

The problem is that there will be the possibility of a multiple increase in investigations into any case. There may already be competition, because there is data collected by employees and data collected by private agencies. And only the court must decide whose truth.

How much do private detective services cost?

Oleg Petrov: Depending on the task. If it is necessary to find any stolen things, then payment on the fact, if it is connected with supervision, then stipulates, hourly payment or also on the fact. This is the same market, there are no strict price criteria. If it is a case of adultery, it costs $ 100 an hour to track down a husband or wife.

How do you collect information and monitor your facilities if the use of listening equipment is prohibited in Ukraine?

Oleg Petrov: We do not use "wiretaps", but are in the same place and at the same time where a person is, no one is forbidden. We use the same technique as you, shoot, view.

How many private detective agencies are there?

Oleg Petrov: In Kiev, I know about two dozen who are engaged in detective services, which includes both search and surveillance. There are companies that deal with business security. That is, for large corporations, they collect information about potential partners, potential customers, and so on.

Private detectives are illegal due to the lack of law. What should he pay attention to a Ukrainian who turns to a detective to avoid encountering a scammer? One of the detectives advised to check the attitude of a private detective to law enforcement agencies.

Alexander Kosharny: Here for personal connections, that's all. Belonging to law enforcement agencies is not always the right criterion, because a person can be fired from the police for an offense or crime.

Oleg Petrov: Never pay money in advance. Usually the collection of information develops in several stages. First you need to understand what the task is, whether it is possible to solve it. Then there is planning how it will happen. If this is a normal detective who understands what he is doing, then he discusses the matter with the customer. Then you have a guarantee that you were not just assigned an amount, you paid it, and then this person dissolved in space.

Source - https://moepravo.ligazakon.ua/news/2011/8/4/47113.htm

 

[Детективное агентство. Украина. Харьков. Львов.]

Re: Por que detetives particulares e dosi postura por lei?

Não sei quem são Feodosiy Yushchenko e Alesandr Kosharny, mas gostei do tópico "não pague adiantado": D
Eu me pergunto como essas pessoas estão seguras contra inadimplência e que dinheiro usam para cumprir ordens.

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

Re: Por que os detetives particulares ainda são proibidos?

Obrigado por trabalhar no fórum.

 

[Детективное агентство. Украина. Харьков. Львов.]

Re: Por que os detetives particulares ainda são proibidos?

Embora não - eu já sei quem são Feodosiy Yushchenko e Alexander Kosharny - [DLMURL] https://www.pmcu.kiev.ua/pmcu/ispolkom.html [/ DLMURL]

 

[Детективное агентство Симферополь]

Re: Detetives particulares querem estar "dentro da lei"

Completamente mogusen com Roma !!! Zadolbali !!!!!!

 

[Детективное агентство ИКС-Инфо.]

Re: Por que os detetives particulares ainda são proibidos?

Claro ... Se o Coronel-General Kornienko os tiver
Presidentes - é hora de nos escondermos ...: P: lol:

 

[Игорь Коракс]

Re: Por que detetives particulares e dosi postura por lei?

Embora não - eu já sei quem são Feodosiy Yushchenko e Alexander Kosharny - [DLMURL] https://www.pmcu.kiev.ua/pmcu/ispolkom.html [/ DLMURL]

Che não dirigia, por que a empresa automobilística está preocupada com a investigação privada.

 

[Детективное агентство ИКС-Инфо.]

Re: Por que os detetives particulares ainda são proibidos?

Igor!
Não apenas um carro, mas um carro de POLÍCIA ...
Você sente a diferença

 

[Игорь Коракс]

Re: Por que detetives particulares e dosi postura por lei?

Igor!
Não apenas um carro, mas um carro de POLÍCIA ...
Você pode sentir a diferença

não bem, então isso muda o assunto