Theme for discussion ...

[Группа К]

It’s a very competent analytical article ... and in connection with the issues raised for discussion, it’s probably advisable even so and the MOD and IARD to work together to establish the actual black holes, to conduct a survey of real black holes for their relationship to SROs and use all these studies to solve questions about the appropriateness of these SROs, given the fact that, in principle, it is not possible to create standards for the provision of BH services ... not for the design of services, namely the provision of the services themselves, which are supposed to be provided specifically BH ....

I will support Andrei Valerievich. But with one addition. The development of any independent industry follows the same laws: Advocacy, Appraisers, Auditors, Notaries - all institutes similar to the detective have long been successfully self-organizing, creating professional communities and unions and working according to standards that they themselves create and accept. At the same time, none of the strangers is allowed into their clearing.

MOD and ARD - well-established detective associations - must also take the initiative into their own hands, and use the moment to unite detective practitioners . If the emperor needs the detectives to work under the guise of an SRO, then immediately create a working group to prepare the first congress of private detectives to decide on the creation of such an SRO.

If we procrastinate, If the organizers of MOD and ARD do not have the guts to collect detective practitioners under one banner - we will live and feed from the table of swindlers and KR-schiki.

It's my opinion.

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

Friends, why are there no comments on the site?

 

[Роберт]

Friends, why are there no comments on the site?

This topic is probably not interesting. Personally, I don’t understand all this.

 

[Группа К]

Friends, good night!
Please pay attention to an extremely interesting article on the Association’s website by Victor Sergeyevich.
https://iapd.info/blog/nuzhen-li-chastnomu-sysku-sro.html

I'm waiting for the continuation of the topic !!!

REMIND OF A VALUABLE PRIZE !!!

I agree with the author that the topic of SRO is being pushed by someone. But I'm not sure about the feeders. For example, SRO will consist of 3,000 detective practitioners. If each one requires an annual contribution of 5 thousand rubles, then in the end 15 million rubles will be released. Not very thick for such an undertaking. Enough on Maybach

It is strange that over 25 years of private investigation, the idea of uniting detectives into a professional independent union has found support from the state. And now - "affectionately requested." It is likely that the initiators of the SRO idea simply do not understand the nature of private investigation. As the author of the article accurately noted, the SRO unites those of its representatives whose main activity is related to profit-making: Builders, Power Engineers, etc.

Detective activity, by its nature, is not economic, as the above types of activity, but law enforcement. In 2015, a group of detectives put an end to a long dispute with the state over the right to be called “private law enforcement”, not as merchants. As a result, by amendment No. 2/99 of OKPDTR, approved. The State Standard of the Russian Federation introduced the Private Detective Position in the list of professions and positions for group 3450 OKZ, and assigned code for OKZ 3450 of the base group Police Officers and Other Law Enforcement Agencies, Detectives. The link here to this standard is here "https://professions.org.ru/?okz=3450"

I know only two professional and independent associations of law enforcement in the services market - Lawyers and Notaries Chambers. But for some reason, the “initiators” of SRO pushing through do not notice this form of professional education. Either from ignorance, or from a lack of experience in detective work, and maybe for other reasons. Most likely, the fact is that the SRO allows the state to control and coordinate "detective activities", but it’s more difficult for the state to throw a "collar" on independent professional associations. Or does anyone have doubts that the initiative for SROs comes from the state?

The development of any independent industry follows the same laws: Advocacy, Auditors, Notaries - all institutions similar to the detective story have long and successfully organized themselves, creating professional communities in the form of Chambers. Such associations work according to the standards that they themselves create and accept.

That is why I suggest that the established detective associations MOD and ARD immediately take the initiative into their own hands and use the current moment to unite detective practitioners under a single flag. I will support my colleagues in terms of conducting a statistical survey and uniting all detective practitioners under the single flag. If the emperor needs the detectives to work under some sign, then immediately create a working group to prepare the first congress of private detectives in order to decide on the creation of the Detective Chamber.

If we procrastinate, If the organizers of the MOD and ARD do not have the guts to collect detective practitioners under one banner, we will continue to live and feed on the table of swindlers and CD-shchikov, but by their standards. And pay extra for it.

 

[ВАХТАНГ-ГРУЗИЯ]

No, does he have relatives in St. Petersburg! That is the question! ნათესავები უნდა იყოს

Robert still write what’s the matter? I, damn it, did not understand Russian.

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

I agree with the author that the topic of SRO is being pushed by someone. But I'm not sure about the feeders. For example, SRO will consist of 3,000 detective practitioners. If each one requires an annual contribution of 5 thousand rubles, then in the end 15 million rubles will be released. Not very thick for such an undertaking. Enough on Maybach

Licenses issued no more than 2,000 to Russia.
5 thousand rubles., It’s possible so far, as they say until the wing ....

Or does anyone have doubts that the initiative for SROs comes from the state?

I have such doubts. And I think that not only me ....

That is why I suggest that the established detective associations MOD and ARD immediately take the initiative into their own hands and use the current moment to unite detective practitioners under a single flag. I will support my colleagues in terms of conducting a statistical survey and uniting all detective practitioners under the single flag.

We will discuss with ARD.

If the emperor needs the detectives to work under some sign, then immediately create a working group to prepare the first congress of private detectives in order to decide on the creation of the Detective Chamber.

Interesting offer.

If we procrastinate, If the organizers of the MOD and ARD do not have the guts to collect detective practitioners under one banner, we will continue to live and feed on the table of swindlers and CD-shchikov, but by their standards. And pay extra for it.

We will think the whole world ....

 

[Андрей Захаров]

I do not agree with some of Alexander’s theses ... especially regarding the role of BH in law enforcement .... but that’s okay ... a completely different topic .... just when discussing this topic ... on the SRO, you should probably keep in mind that SRO, as well as MOD or ARD non-commercial partnerships .... the organization form, in principle, is one ... just sro-more "rigid" form or something ... in this case, yet another NP appears .... therefore MOD and ARD you need to think about how to develop further .... see the real number of employees ... and there will be by no means thousands ... probably about 200-300 people about .... see their real problems in the field of procedural legislation and so on ... the main thing is probably not to sit back .... and yet ... something is not visible in this topic of the opinions of numerous members of the MOD board ... but it is a pity .... opinions on this issue are needed .... to decide on this issue .... and not just to discuss and disagree ... you need a specific case ... for the same BH survey ... establishing specific working in our industry .... but it's just an opinion .... maybe someone else has other suggestions ....

 

[Группа К]

We are terribly far from the capabilities of functionaries and nomenclature workers, Andrey Valerievich! Unlike us, these guys quickly realized what was happening and were probably ready to tell their r / n. to replenish the personal treasury.

I'm worried about something else. It turns out that if all the current detectives are against the SRO, and this topic remains acute and relevant, then all the work on improving the legislation and arranging detectives, which was carried out by detective associations for 15 years, was wasted? All of these congresses, congresses, symposia - it turns out - that they have no meaning?

Why can't they hear us? Probably high pests are sitting there. Or they don’t finish something to us. I think so.
Ok, I'm quiet. And then I have a check in the LRS this week: D: D: D

 

[Группа К]

I do not agree with some of Alexander’s theses ... especially regarding the role of the BH in law enforcement .... but this is okay ... a completely different topic ....

I'm looking for, Andrey Valerievich

 

[Андрей Захаров]

We are terribly far from the capabilities of functionaries and nomenclature workers, Andrey Valerievich! Unlike us, these guys quickly realized what was happening and were probably ready to tell their r / n. to replenish the personal treasury.

I'm worried about something else. It turns out that if all the current detectives are against the SRO, and this topic remains acute and relevant, then all the work on improving the legislation and arranging detectives, which was carried out by detective associations for 15 years, was wasted? All of these congresses, congresses, symposia - it turns out - that they have no meaning?

Why can't they hear us? Probably high pests are sitting there. Or they don’t finish something to us. I think so.
Ok, I'm quiet. And then I have a check in the LRS this week: D: D: D

It turns out that probably it is .... As paradoxical as it is))))))))))) And regarding the "nature" of a particular investigation ... (with regards to disagreements)))) .... there is a Law on BH OD which, in principle, no one has changed or supplemented (yet) .... And based on this Law (despite innovations in the list of professions), the situation with NPV looks something like this ... ,,
https://mastersmi.com/articles/Business/ ... sk-57.html