Theme for discussion ...

[Детективное агентство Тула]

Is that good irony?

Sure!
Do not even hesitate!
Who will be your Chairperson of the Board?

 

[Группа К]

Is that good irony?

Sure!
Do not even hesitate!
Who will be your Chairperson of the Board?

The director will be the one who is best versed in administration and has free time for that. So they will definitely not be me: D if you are talking about it: D
The topic of the collegium is only being discussed and it is not a fact that the discussion will go beyond talking Since we, like-minded people, are still very few.:?

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

The circle of these revolutionaries is narrow. They are terribly far from the people ...

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

Re: Private detectives will create their own SRO

“Association of Investigation Professionals”; "National Detective Bureau"; Communities of leaders of public organizations of the detective industry and the All-Russian Trade Union of the NSB; Alliance of Specialized Security Enterprises.

For example, I have never heard of these reputable organizations. But the first impression that is formed when reading their names is that the more beautiful and intricate the name of the SRO is, the less they should be expected to benefit. Well, the sooner they leave the market for non-profit organizations.

The release talks about supporting detectives. Can these guys perform here? They will talk about who supports what and whom. I don’t understand, I don’t see the main thing - goals to which they are striving.

Their declaration (hereinafter referred to as quotation): “development of the sphere of detective activity; legalization of the detective industry; creating a positive image of a private detective; assisting state authorities in solving crimes within the framework of the current legislation ”- completely meaningless set of abstracts .

- What means " legalization ? Detectives are legalized, special activities (licensed) and are under constant supervision
- What means " creating a positive image ? - Does someone suffer from the fact that he is a detective? Well, there is an opportunity to suspend your license.
- What means " Assist law enforcement "- This happens regularly, as soon as it becomes known about the upcoming .... and so on and so forth.

The story of "detective activity improvements" is repeated from year to year, and always ends with the same thing. As we worked under the law 25 years ago, so be it. The fact that something will change, for example, I do not believe. Well, I can’t even assume that some SRO will be able to push through the initiative, for example, of deputy Zolochevsky (remember the fall of 2015?) About including the detective’s procedural figure in the codes.

And is it necessary to do this - to push through? For example, absolutely everything suits me. There are orders, there is legal earnings. And who doesn’t like it - let it unite under the banner of nouveau riche-improvers. There they will take mediocrity as their own - for extras.

I fully admit that they will perform. Lyubimenko Sergey Alexandrovich is a Full Member of the MOD, and even the Vice-President of the MOD, as well as a participant in our Forum:

https://forum.detective-agency.info/index.php?members/5029

I will ask him to go to the Forum and comment.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

At the same time, another self-regulatory organization has already prepared amendments to the Law of the Russian Federation dated 11.03.1992 N 2487-1 (as amended on 07/13/2015) "On private detective and security activities in the Russian Federation", fixing the mandatory establishment of an SRO of a private search. SRO NP “Alliance of Specialized Security Enterprises”, in particular, proposes to define private detective and security activities as the provision on a fee-based contractual basis of services to individuals and organizations having permission (license) issued by a self-regulatory organization and individual entrepreneurs in order to protect the legitimate rights and interests of their of customers

With regards to just legislative initiatives .... So that, for example, all this would work, in terms of issuing licenses (permits) from the SRO, changes are needed not only in the Law on BH and IOD ..... Which then needs to be completely rewritten ... but then you still need to prepare a new Law on SRO in private detective and security activities (as a specialized Law in practice with other similar Laws), make amendments to other Laws, etc. .... So this process is far from as simple as it seems at first glance .... In addition, the most important question is STANDARDS .... Which, in principle, cannot be in the NPV (in terms of rendering services) .... All these initiatives resemble a "storm in a glass of water" with the aim of giving importance to their actions (regarding the initiators of all these bills) ... as well as obviously not thought out and justified legislative initiatives regarding the same Criminal Procedure Code and other things ... Well, okay with them ... The only bad thing is that all this is being done at a low professional level ... not for the sake of ITs who work in this market of services ... and for another .... (((((

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

The only bad thing is that all this is done at a low professional level ... not for the sake of people who work in this market of services ... but for the other .... (((((

And for what?

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Everywhere you need to look, who benefits ... and what is this specific benefit)))) The initiators of these proposals, judging by the composition of the members of their organization, in which they are members, the goals are clearly not disinterested))))) This is just a long conversation. ... unless of course the conversation is substantive)))) and most importantly, the simple "working" in this benefit, in principle, there is no ....)))))

 

[Щербенёв Алексей Григорьевич]

Dear Colleagues! I am on the forum for the first time. Andrew asked me to express my opinion about the SRO. Mr. Lyubimenko, I came across the topic of creating an SRO about two years ago, when he strenuously asked me to head the created SRO. It was true that he could not explain for what purposes it was necessary, except to collect contributions from all members. Russian detectives join SROs. Now the goals are indicated by slogans known to you, although the true ones are unlikely to have changed. The SRO law says that SROs are a voluntary association ...... that develops certain standards that suit SRO members and which they must observe The flag is in their hands. If the client doesn’t get what he wants from the detective, then no SRO will help. But Sergey Lyubimenko, the "chief detective" proclaimed by the trade union leader Galochkin, hardly understands this. My attitude to the SRO is not what. The pursuit of a fashion initiative that is not acceptable in our type of activity and earn money on this wave, but even there the grass does not grow. An example of “voluntary unification” - the OFDM - is the flag that Lyubimenko picked up. At one time, the former deputy Baryshev, having an administrative resource, at the direction of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, gathered all who wanted to be a detective, who heard about them, and who did not hear, in the OCDD. The goal was simple - with the support of returning to the State Duma. with OFDM? I think time will put everything in its place. Sincerely, Alexey Shcherbenev.

 

[Группа К]

Dear Colleagues! I am on the forum for the first time. Andrew asked me to express my opinion about the SRO. Mr. Lyubimenko, I came across the topic of creating an SRO about two years ago, when he strenuously asked me to head the created SRO. It was true that he could not explain for what purposes it was necessary, except to collect contributions from all members. Russian detectives join SROs. Now the goals are indicated by slogans known to you, although the true ones are unlikely to have changed. The SRO law says that SROs are a voluntary association ...... that develops certain standards that suit SRO members and which they must observe The flag is in their hands. If the client doesn’t get what he wants from the detective, then no SRO will help. But Sergey Lyubimenko, the "chief detective" proclaimed by the trade union leader Galochkin, hardly understands this. My attitude to the SRO is not what. The pursuit of a fashion initiative that is not acceptable in our type of activity and earn money on this wave, but even there the grass does not grow. An example of “voluntary unification” - the OFDM - is the flag that Lyubimenko picked up. At one time, the former deputy Baryshev, having an administrative resource, at the direction of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, gathered all who wanted to be a detective, who heard about them, and who did not hear, in the OCDD. The goal was simple - with the support of returning to the State Duma. with OFDM? I think time will put everything in its place. Sincerely, Alexey Shcherbenev.

Thank you, for example, I did not know almost everything that you wrote.

Without initiative, there will be no progress. In my opinion, the Liberal Democratic Party, in particular, the deputy V. Zolochevsky, has practical suggestions. It was with his submission in the fall of 2015 that amendments to our law were introduced for consideration by the Duma. We have not received any changes.

But the topic is being raised again, and it’s somehow strange. This strangeness is manifested not in the desire to improve the procedural legislation, but by the initiative of the mandatory introduction of a material burden on a private detective. That is, while maintaining the current and even imperfect condition of the detective industry, oblige its participants to give part of their income.

A logical question arises. For what purposes is it planned to finance the created SRO? For what? The theses on “legalization”, “on assistance”, “on improvement” do not suit me (I wrote about this above) because they do not carry any specifics and are therefore useless. And unlike the initiatives of V. Zolochevsky, they sound simply not serious.

Hence the conclusion: the project "SRO" is created for the detective’s additional load. The introduction of standards is a cover. And after reading the post of Alexei, I was even more convinced of this.

 

[Группа К]

The circle of these revolutionaries is narrow. They are terribly far from the people ...

A detective, there is a revolution: shock: - After all, fulfilling the orders of the customer, the detective commits his own "coup". This revolution in everything - in clothes, facial expressions, words, even thoughts - Before appearing before the villain - the detective changes his appearance by all 180 degrees. Otherwise, nothing will come of it:!:

Yes, we are few. But not from the fact that we are “terribly far from the people” , but because we adhere to our concept of development (we have the right), which consists in the fact that we never specially invite anyone to our site.