Search for a missing member of WWII

[Детективное агентство Тула]

Re: Search for a missing member of the Second World War

You can contact Skype without any problems.

Skype: paley.info

 

[Лидия Андреевна Фролова]

Re: Search for a missing member of the Second World War

Hello! Please give a link to his profile, we can’t find him in any way.

Link

Hello! Thank you, you would not have found without your help!

 

[Татьяна 49]

Re: Search for a missing member of the Second World War

Hello Lidia Andreevna and Natalya (?). I’ll try to explain to you again why you just need to make a request to GVK Lyubertsy. On all search forums, you were advised to do this. From TsAMO (Podolsk), a negative answer, I read it on other forums, it turns out that we duplicate each other. It is advisable to upload all the information that you have.
If the data about the place of conscription has become known, write in the “Book of Memory” to the military registration and enlistment office of the locality or region from where the person was called up. Contact the military commissioner with a request to check the information on your relative using the registration documents of the dead and missing personnel of the Red Army and Navy. Indicate the degree of relationship and all the data you have about it. In response, you should send an official certificate with all the information found
Only in Lyubertsy can they tell you where Ivan Andreyevich served. And such information is given only to relatives!
I will give an example
266 rifle division of the 1st formation as part of 1006, 1008 , 1010 sp, 820 ap, 360 ptn, 379 orr, 575 sapp, 728 obs, 751 atr, 295 msec, 361 rhz, 553 rear took part in hostilities from August 20, 1941 to December 27, 1941 (list No. 5 rifle, mountain rifle, motor rifle and motorized divisions that were part of the army during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945).
In accordance with Part 1 of the Combat Staff of the Soviet Army:
On August 1, 1941, as part of the Moscow Military District (on understaffing)
On September 1, 1941 as part of 66 SC 21 Army of the Bryansk Front.
Since September 6, 1941, the 21st Army has been subordinated to the Southwestern Front.
I met documents on Ivan Drozdov. Without a middle name, date of birth, but who served in 1008 s.p. .

All the search sites sincerely want to help you, but since there is no more digitized data, try writing in Lyubertsy, writing more than once so that at least some kind of clue exists. Sincerely, Tatyana.

 

[Лидия Андреевна Фролова]

Re: Search for a missing member of the Second World War

All the search sites sincerely want to help you, but since there is no more digitized data, try writing in Lyubertsy, writing more than once so that at least some kind of clue exists. Sincerely, Tatyana.

Hello, Tatyana! Thanks for the help and information provided! I made requests everywhere and everywhere, only the answers are not happy, for example, in the Smolensk region from the registry office, the Administration of the Ugran district and the Archive, there are no data in the name of Ivan Andreyevich Drozdov, I also made requests through the civil services portal in the IFS of the Kaluga region and Tula, the same thing.
Here is a statement to the Head of the Military Commissariat Department of the Ministry of Defense for the cities of Lyubertsy, Lytkarino and Lyubertsy district
Mikhail Viktorovich Skokov
Address: Russia, 140000, Moscow region, Lyubertsy municipal district, the city of Lyubertsy, 261 Oktyabrsky Avenue.
Tel .: +7 (495) 5541362
From Frolova (Drozdova) Lydia Andreyevna, born on March 20, 1923
Address: Russia, 623670, Sverdlovsk region, Tugulymsky district, Yushala settlement
e-mail: frolowa.lidiya2013@yandex.ru

Z A I V L E N I E

Dear Mikhail Viktorovich!
Please check according to the registration documents of the dead and missing personnel of the Red Army and Navy the availability of information about my brother:
Drozdov Ivan Andreevich, born 19.01.1924
Place of birth: Smolensk region, Znamensky district, village of Shumikhino
Place of call: Lyubertsy RVK, Moscow Region, Lyubertsy
Military rank: Red Army
Reason for retirement: missing
Date of disposal: February 1942
The site of the OBD Memorial has information about him
https://www.obd-memorial.ru/html/info.htm?id=68128072 .
Information source - TsAMO, Information source fund number - 58, Information source inventory number - 18004, Information source case number - 1531. Document specifying losses, Report number - 44687, Type of report - Post-war reports, Date of report - 05/27/1946 ., The name of the unit is Urusov.
In October 1941, our village was occupied by German troops, I ended up in a German concentration camp, my parents died, Ivan and his elder sister Natalia were able to flee to Moscow, the connection between us was interrupted, our village was liberated only in March 1943, practically nothing was left of it. no more, now everyone has renamed it, now it is the Slobodsky rural settlement of the Ugransky district of the Smolensk region. I made inquiries to the administration, replies came that there was no data on Ivan Drozdov, born on January 19, 1924.
Searches are complicated by the fact that it is not known where my brother served, I mean the army, regiment, I do not know the number of field mail.
I am 91 years old (born in 1923), there is less and less time to search every day, I once again appeal to you to provide me with all the available information about my brother Ivan Drozdov, born on January 19, 1924

And also without an answer, because the Military Commissariat of the Ministry of Defense for the cities of Lyubertsy and others does not have a website, the information was taken from the Internet, so it sent an unknown to whom and an unknown where, but I hope that all the same, to the current address and to the head.

If all sources add up what happened:
Drozdov Ivan Andreevich
Year of birth: 01/19/1924
Place of birth: Smolensk region, Znamensky district, village of Shumikhino
Place of call: Lyubertsy RVK, Moscow Region, Lyubertsy
Name of unit (military unit): 1145 rifle Yeisk regiment of the 353rd rifle division
Military rank: Red Army
Reason for retirement: missing Date of retirement: February 1942
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OR captured (freed)
Additional information: lag. No. 99598
Source of information - TsAMO
Information source number of the information - 223247
Name of information source - Odessa Runway
Information Source Case Number -
2
AFTER THE POWD GOT IN

Hospital: 424 General Hospital
Reason for disposal: died 12/28/1943
Information source number: A - 71693
Source of information: TsAMO
Case number: 1931

The search is complicated by the fact that Lidia Andreevna, together with other residents of the village, was sent by the Germans to the concentration camp without documents and documents, she was 18 years old, after her release, upon arriving home from someone she found out that her parents had died (the Germans shot a crowd of villagers and threw their bodies into a ravine), the elder sister Natalya and brother Ivan were able to escape from the village of Shumikhino (it was occupied by the Germans from 1941-1943) to Moscow, Lidia Andreevna does not understand who Natalya and Ivan could go to, because she does not know anyone who could live in Moscow. She had nowhere to go, neither relatives nor home, she went to the railway station with thoughts to leave for Moscow too. At the railway station, she met Alexei Frolov, who offered her help with other soldiers (..............), so she ended up in the Urals and since then has been living in the settlement of Yushala, Sverdlovsk region, sends requests in the hope of finding at least a brother, because sister Natalya, was 5-8 years older than she was and could get married and change her last name, respectively, it is more difficult to find her, here is one hope for the data of brother Ivan.

Sincerely, Natalia.

 

[Татьяна 49]

Re: Search for a missing member of the Second World War

Hello, Natalia!
Drozdov Ivan Andreevich
Year of birth: 01/19/1924
Place of birth: Smolensk region, Znamensky district, village of Shumikhino
Place of call: Lyubertsy RVK, Moscow Region, Lyubertsy
Name of unit (military unit): 1145 rifle Yeisk regiment of the 353rd rifle division
Military rank: Red Army
Reason for retirement: missing Date of retirement: February 1942
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OR captured (freed)
Additional information: lag. No. 99598
Source of information - TsAMO
Information source number of the information - 223247
Name of information source - Odessa Runway
Information Source Case Number -
2

According to these documents of March 8, 1945, Ivan Andreevich could not get to the hospital in 1943.

AFTER THE POWD GOT IN

Hospital: 424 General Hospital
Reason for disposal: died 12/28/1943
Information source number: A - 71693
Source of information: TsAMO
Case number: 1931

The 1145 rifle Yeisk regiment of the 353rd rifle division -353 sd was formed in Novorossiysk in August 1941. So, not yours Ivan Andreevich died in the hospital. But the documents on the release, hypothetically, may have to do with yours. But the war was already over , where they could be sent after considering their cases, we will look. JUDGMENT, sentence, serving sentences by military personnel who were during the Second World War in concentration camps, prisoner of war camps and other places of forced detention in Germany and other European camps and sent after state verification to special settlements ..

Try again to write to the military commissar in Lyubertsy with an envelope with a stamp and a return address. You wrote the request absolutely correctly.
I was most interested in this fighter, it’s a pity that without a middle name, but it seems almost impossible to establish the truth.













Cards destroyed!


Prisoner of War Information

Surname Drozdov
Name Ivan
middle name
Camp number 46384
Camp Stalag VIII E (308)
Fate died in captivity
Date of death 01/29/1942
Burial place of Yugoslavia, Maribor
GARF Information Source Name
Information source fund number R-7021
Information source inventory number 115
Information Source Case Number 22
https://www.obd-memorial.ru/html/info.htm?id=85739255

You are registered on the IOP forum, I think it’s worth looking through the Red Cross to search for cards on these prisoners of war https://forum.vgd.ru/110/12521/ .
Well done, that you don’t lose hope. We recently had a similar situation, a 90-year-old man was looking for his brother’s burial place. Moreover, his surname and patronymic were distorted so that another person was recorded. We found with my son. If it’s interesting, read it. https://safeurban.org/index.php/social/1 ... ren-safety. If there is something new, I will write in the subject, I will send you an e-mail letter. Let's hope that more documents appear, are digitized. If you get an answer from the military registration and enlistment office, please write. Because knowing exactly the division number, the regiment, there will already be another search.
A bow to Lydia Andreyevna, I wish you all good health. Best regards, Tatyana.

 

[Лидия Андреевна Фролова]

Re: Search for a missing member of the Second World War

Hello, Tatyana!

Thanks for the information!

The letter sent to the Lyubertsy military registration and enlistment office (without an envelope with a return address), I really didn’t think about putting it, so maybe the answer would have already arrived, now I will send it again with an envelope, at the same time again to TsAMO.

To the Red Cross, I immediately made an electronic request when I found about the hospital, but so far without an answer, I’ll also send it by letter with an envelope enclosed.

Thanks again for the help, as soon as the new information will be reported immediately.

PS I read about the work of your son, he's done! He feels that his intuition works fine!
As for the false information, yes, these are all unfortunate mistakes, because of which relatives I can’t find out anything - Simanov (Semenov) Viktor Yegorovich (Grigoryevich) - sadly ...

 

[Лидия Андреевна Фролова]

Re: Search for a missing member of the Second World War

Hello, Tatyana! "In documents, there are often distortions in the date and place of birth. And with additional information, it is much easier to look for missing and dead in WWII. Let's try to search. Be healthy. Respectfully Tatyana.

Hello, Tatyana! We received a response from the head of the department of the military commissariat of the Moscow Region, in the cities of Lyubertsy, Lytkarino and the Lyubertsy district (photo attached), I don’t understand why and why they looked in the appeal books of the Ukhtomsky RVC, in our statement it was written in Russian called up by the Lyubertsy RVC, here's how else I can’t look for my mind: roll:

 

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Re: Search for a missing member of the Second World War

Hello, dear Natalia and Lidia Andreevna. Unfortunately, perhaps very often, in such cases they answer without even looking at the request. You got a clear example .... Although, two days ago, a woman looking for an uncle who was missing , received confirmation with notes from the hospital.

I received a letter from the Military Medical Archive from which I learned about fate
Vladimir Vasilievich Lozhenitsyn and the place of his burial.
On March 22, 1943, he received a through bullet wound to the left parietal and occipital regions of the skull.
March 24, he underwent trepanation of the skull. On April 2, Uncle Volodya died.
He was buried in Debrevo, Smolensk region. Eternal memory to him!

Although now we can’t find where exactly they were reburied from Debrevo. And the records of injuries and death were not digitized. But it was easier with her, there was a reward (although I never met the awarded, missing), so I was sure that he died and the commanders knew about it and we knew where he served!

Write, try, of course, only with an envelope and a return address. In the Red Cross, in the Military Medical Archive, I gave you a list. We believe that sometimes new documents are digitized, I look periodically. Thank you for sharing, but don’t give up. .You well done, do not give up! Best regards Tatyana.

 

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Re: Search for a missing member of the Second World War

Details did not give lists, gave a link to https://poisksvoih.ru/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4
Moscow Center for Youth Programs "Fatherland"
103012, Moscow, Novaya pl., 6, of.15
Tel / Fax (495) 2068531, 2068640
E-meil: patria@wm.west-call.ru
Kochnev Sergey Vasilievich

Moscow Regional Youth Public Organization "Military Patriotic Search Association" Bridgehead "
141300, Moscow Region, Sergiev Posad, Sovetskaya St., 16/34

https://victory.rusarchives.ru/index.php?p=2

Russian State Archive of Socio-Political History (RGASPI)
Russian State Military Archive (RGVA)

Moscow Military Commissariat Address 129090, Moscow, Prospect Mira, d. 15
Phone 8 (495) 600-64-74, 600-65-94

I think it’s worth writing and clarifying once again what was called Lyubertsy military registration and enlistment office, that the documents do not refer to the Ukhtomsky military registration and enlistment office! Only blood relatives can send these requests. Good luck. Sincerely, Tatyana.

 

[Лидия Андреевна Фролова]

Re: Search for a missing member of the Second World War

I think it’s worth writing and clarifying once again what was called Lyubertsy military registration and enlistment office, that the documents do not refer to the Ukhtomsky military registration and enlistment office! Only blood relatives can send these requests. Good luck. Sincerely, Tatyana.

Yes, Tatyana, we did just that, have already written a second letter asking them to be more attentive to the text in the statement.

Thank you for the add. information, we will definitely use it.

Oh, and yes, from the Red Cross came the answer to email. mail, asked to indicate the mailing address to send a response, if you did not find anything, could also email. I’ll throw off the mail, that there is no data, why should I think up a job for myself, fill out an envelope, send it by mail, there are probably a lot of oddities still ahead, but let's hope for Good luck!

Thank you again, Good luck!