Theme for discussion ...

[Группа К]

We are terribly far from the capabilities of functionaries and nomenclature workers, Andrey Valerievich! Unlike us, these guys quickly realized what was happening and were probably ready to tell their r / n. to replenish the personal treasury.

I'm worried about something else. It turns out that if all the current detectives are against the SRO, and this topic remains acute and relevant, then all the work on improving the legislation and arranging detectives, which was carried out by detective associations for 15 years, was wasted? All of these congresses, congresses, symposia - it turns out - that they have no meaning?

Why can't they hear us? Probably high pests are sitting there. Or they don’t finish something to us. I think so.
Ok, I'm quiet. And then I have a check in the LRS this week: D: D: D

It turns out that probably it is .... As paradoxical as it is))))))))))) And regarding the "nature" of a particular investigation ... (with regards to disagreements)))) .... there is a Law on BH OD which, in principle, no one has changed or supplemented (yet) .... And based on this Law (despite innovations in the list of professions), the situation with NPV looks something like this ... ,,
https://mastersmi.com/articles/Business/ ... sk-57.html

Interesting opinion, Andrey, regarding the goals of NPV. You will need to think carefully about your version of the interpretation of the law. It never crossed my mind to separate the concepts of collecting information and suppressing unlawful acts. For example, what if there is a need for notification of detected signs of a crime? If the NPV Law (referred to in the article) refers to this obligation, then the detective’s actions are also directed in this direction. I cannot agree that detective work and law enforcement diverge in their goals. The fact that the detective acts in the legitimate interests of the customer for a fee - yes. But the element of payment for labor cannot be the basis to say that the detective does not protect the order. On the contrary, he protects him even more than the policeman, because he acts by risking not only his property (like a private entrepreneur), but also his health ... It is for this reason that I consider our profession as highly risky. Therefore, I support the exemption of the detective from taxes, and the provision of immunity from the prosecution of unscrupulous objects of his investigation.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Regarding notifications on the grounds of a crime .... it is a crime, it should be noted ... and it is only the message, not the identification and suppression ..... and then this all applies only to the case if this same "crime" was identified in the course of the fulfillment of a specific task of the customer ... On the basis of an agreement on the provision of services ..... The rest is all overboard ... and law enforcement is not only the identification and suppression of a crime ... this is the identification and suppression of offenses of another category -for example, administrative .... And these issues are only on a voluntary basis ... on the basis of an agreement regulated by the order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs .... in accordance with which it is possible to provide assistance to law enforcement bodies on a voluntary basis ... And this, in principle, can be regarded as "vowel cooperation" within the framework of the same Law on the Horde, on the Police .... And this is a completely different matter ... After all, "cooperating" with law enforcement agencies on a "vowel" or "non-vowel" basis is everyone’s right citizen (not required BH), but not an obligation))))) ... and directly to the BVD it has nothing to do ....))))). And the difference between law enforcement and just helping to ensure the rule of law is just the obligatory nature of these actions for someone who is a law enforcement officer .... And for the BH, as an individual entrepreneur, what he is, it’s not a mandatory requirement to identify and suppress offenses ..... Feel the difference, as they say .... And all these "reasoning "about the fact that BH, some law enforcement officers there, are clearly baseless ... And perhaps it is so" more profitable "to present this issue at various meetings and so on .... although all this is clearly baseless ..... You can even make sure this, having read the statistics on the "disclosure and detection of crimes" .... Such statistics exist in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and are based on a synthesis of information provided by the investigation authorities in the form of cards of form 1.1. (at least this form was called before) ... So, this form indicates the persons who contributed to the disclosure of the cretan crime that this card is exposed to ... there is a fad involved in solving the crime .... Including one of the points indicated is participation of the Black Sea .... And now, if you look at these statistics, everything will be clear - Are there facts in the Russian Federation regarding how many cases (for solving crimes) the same BHs took part .... And I personally am not at all sure that BHs are “reflected” in these statistics as persons who contributed to the disclosure crimes ... and if they are reflected, it can be up to 10 cases throughout the Russian Federation .... and then obviously not in a year)))))) According to statistics, in fact, the bulk of crimes are "uncovered" with the help of - "vowels" or "non-public" persons collaborating with law enforcement officers (at least this is indicated on disclosure cards, the information from which "lies" on the table of the powerful leaders of law enforcement authorities .... and the BH in this mass, in principle, no one. ...))))) Based on this circumstance, that’s all the questions regarding the allegedly “law-enforcement” essence of BH )))))))))) And in principle it can be easier ... if just a citizen "cooperates" with law enforcement agencies ... it doesn’t matter on a "vowel" or "not vowel" basis, this does not mean at all that this citizen - "law enforcement" in the sense of the word, which is laid down in the concept of "law enforcement activity", the implementation of which they are trying to "tie" and BH ..... Something like this ....)))))) And from here a simple conclusion- BH-just collectors of information under the Law on CD&D .... but not law enforcement authorities .... Although in some cases we help law enforcement officers ....))))) But helping is not to mean being .... as a law enforcement official ....)))))) Based on the law, which does not give BH the rights and obligations of law enforcement officials .... The duties of which include the identification and suppression of unlawful acts .... whatever. ..not just crimes ....

 

[Андрей Захаров]

P.S.)))) Now I’ve looked at the new F.1.1 .... so there is no BH there at all, although earlier it was on the card .... when I worked .... And based on what is ... .this is "public participation" or the participation of the "secret apparatus" .... so there is nothing at all to take into account participation in the detection and suppression of crimes with the participation of BH ... no, so to speak data .... Based on this- what then is the BH-law enforcement officer)))))) If it is not even taken into account at all in statistical records for solving crimes)))))) not counting the BH at all .... not only as a law enforcement officer)))))))

 

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[Запаренко Александр Николаевич]

Colleagues, for more than 15 years of work, 10 information pieces were sent to various bodies (the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, the Prosecutor's Office, the Investigative Committee) with information containing signs of various crimes. Only one of my reports of facts received real permission, and that, because the information was sent to the Government of the region, was the result of UD initiation, one official lost his sweet spot, and I received a letter. Everything else went, most likely, to the basket. And the accomplices were about specific crimes and often very serious. Therefore, the status of a detective, in my opinion, should give the right to be a "specific law enforcement officer" Alas ... no one needs this.

 

[Группа К]

And the accomplices were about specific crimes and often very serious. Therefore, the status of a detective, in my opinion, should give the right to be a "specific law enforcement officer" Alas ... no one needs this.

I make it easier. From my practice, the case does not end with “nothing” for the sole reason that the “come-together” was directed by the detective not under jurisdiction. In general, one fine day, a very kind and cunning lawyer told me to send my messages directly to the prosecutor general. And they will figure it out)) The only minus in this "design" is that you have to regularly go to the post office for answers from those instances in which the GP sent my message.

The detective already has the status of a law enforcement officer, Alexander. And in this forum there are at least two people who think so - me and you. Therefore, there are detectives who are interested in both status and legal experience and in the desire to fight for the acquisition of new rights. It's time to join forces and create your first detective college. Collect 10 people with the licenses of detective practitioners, hire one accountant, decide on the charter and with the contributions and go ahead. Who is stopping us? And SRO is a stillborn creature - it will leave like autumn foliage leaving under the snow. Because every enterprise, company, organization should have a mission. What is the mission of those who have not conducted a single detective investigation? They have no mission. And we - the detectives of practitioners - have such an understanding.
So everything is in our hands.

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

It is time to join forces and create your first detective college. Collect 10 people with the licenses of detective practitioners, hire one accountant, determine the charter and the contributions and go ahead.

And in this forum there are at least two people who think so - me and you.

The case is small: it remains to find 8 more like these and decide which of you will be the FIRST chairman of the First College of detectives ...

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

Private detectives will create their own SRO

Private detectives will create their own SRO


Private detectives announced the creation of the first industry-wide all-Russian self-regulatory organization. The largest "Association of Detective Professionals" and the "oldest" Association of Private Detectives of Russia, with the support of independent detectives, decided to merge private detectives, the National Detective Bureau, into a Self-regulatory Organization. This is with reference to the President of the All-Russian public organization "Association of Investigation Professionals" Sergei Lyubimenko reports media portal "Guardian". He was chosen as the head of the SRO of private detectives, the National Detective Bureau.

“The main task set by a self-regulatory organization of private detectives, with the support of the Coordinating Council of the Non-State Security Sphere (NSB) of Russia, the Community of Leaders of Non-Governmental Organizations of the Detective Industry and the All-Russian Trade Union of the NSB, is to build the concept of the Detective Activities Strategy within the framework of National Security Strategy 2020, the Concept of Public security and the concept of development of the NSS, ”shared Lyubimov’s plans.

In addition, the self-regulatory organization of private detectives identified the main goals of their activities. Among them: the development of the sphere of detective work; legalization of the detective industry; creating a positive image of a private detective; assisting state authorities in solving crimes within the framework of the current legislation.

The new SRO “National Detective Bureau” proposes to include in the resolution of the 4th All-Russian meeting “NSS - Keepers of Russia!”, Which will be held on February 9, theses on the need to use self-regulation in detective activities and the creation of professional and industry standards for a private detective. During the “Security Month” in February 2016, the SRO plans to conduct industry events dedicated to the self-regulation of detective activities and to highlight a number of relevant positive practices.

At the same time, another self-regulatory organization has already prepared amendments to the Law of the Russian Federation dated 11.03.1992 N 2487-1 (as amended on 07/13/2015) "On private detective and security activities in the Russian Federation", fixing the mandatory establishment of an SRO of a private search. SRO NP "Alliance of Specialized Security Enterprises", in particular, proposes to define private detective and security activities as the provision on a contractual basis of services to individuals and legal entities having permission issued by a self-regulatory organization (license) organizations and individual entrepreneurs in order to protect the legitimate rights and interests of their customers.

https://gdata-python-client.googlecode. ... .18.tar.gz

 

[Группа К]

And in this forum there are at least two people who think so - me and you.

The case is small: it remains to find 8 more like these and decide which of you will be the FIRST chairman of the First College of detectives ... [/quote]

Is that good irony?

 

[Группа К]

Re: Private detectives will create their own SRO

Private detectives will create their own SRO

“The main task set by a self-regulatory organization of private detectives, with the support of the Coordinating Council of the Non-State Security Sphere (NSB) of Russia, the Community of Leaders of Non-Governmental Organizations of the Detective Industry and the All-Russian Trade Union of the NSB, is to build the concept of the Detective Activities Strategy within the framework of National Security Strategy 2020, the Concept of Public security and the concept of development of the NSS, ”shared Lyubimov’s plans.
....
At the same time, another self-regulatory organization has already prepared amendments to the Law of the Russian Federation dated 11.03.1992 N 2487-1 (as amended on 07/13/2015) "On private detective and security activities in the Russian Federation", fixing the mandatory establishment of an SRO of a private search. SRO NP "Alliance of Specialized Security Enterprises", in particular, proposes to define private detective and security activities as the provision on a contractual basis of services to individuals and legal entities having permission issued by a self-regulatory organization (license) organizations and individual entrepreneurs in order to protect the legitimate rights and interests of their customers.

https://gdata-python-client.googlecode. ... .18.tar.gz

“Association of Investigation Professionals”; "National Detective Bureau"; Communities of leaders of public organizations of the detective industry and the All-Russian Trade Union of the NSB; Alliance of Specialized Security Enterprises.

For example, I have never heard of these reputable organizations. But the first impression that is formed when reading their names is that the more beautiful and intricate the name of the SRO is, the less they should be expected to benefit. Well, the sooner they leave the market for non-profit organizations.

The release talks about supporting detectives. Can these guys perform here? They will talk about who supports what and whom. I don’t understand, I don’t see the main thing - goals to which they are striving.

Their declaration (hereinafter referred to as quotation): “development of the sphere of detective activity; legalization of the detective industry; creating a positive image of a private detective; assisting state authorities in solving crimes within the framework of the current legislation ”- completely meaningless set of abstracts .

- What means " legalization ? Detectives are legalized, special activities (licensed) and are under constant supervision
- What means " creating a positive image ? - Does someone suffer from the fact that he is a detective? Well, there is an opportunity to suspend your license.
- What means " Assist law enforcement "- This happens regularly, as soon as it becomes known about the upcoming .... and so on and so forth.

The story of "detective activity improvements" is repeated from year to year, and always ends with the same thing. As we worked under the law 25 years ago, so be it. The fact that something will change, for example, I do not believe. Well, I can’t even assume that some SRO will be able to push through the initiative, for example, of deputy Zolochevsky (remember the fall of 2015?) About including the detective’s procedural figure in the codes.

And is it necessary to do this - to push through? For example, absolutely everything suits me. There are orders, there is legal earnings. And who doesn’t like it - let it unite under the banner of nouveau riche-improvers. There they will take mediocrity as their own - for extras.