Private Investigation and Code of Criminal Procedure

[Группа К]

Alexander, what can you talk about, what kind of competitors, about which scouts, about which people who position themselves as private detectives who do not have a valid IP and license, when even here in the community of private detectives out of 500 declared Personal pages of detective agencies and private detectives are less than 100 have licenses and more than half did not have them.
It is not law that needs to be corrected, but outlawed all those who nimble in the detective glade.
But alas, this topic is not welcomed in the community of Private Detectives, our slogan is that everything that is not forbidden is allowed!

We began to forget who we are, Victor. We waved a hand and allowed ourselves to be left to those who saw in our craft a “berth” for pensioners of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who “have to work somewhere”. We allowed people who laugh at our fanaticism to work “under a license” to a private investigation, because “why take risks and rest if you can come to court“ just like a citizen ”. For these guys you are talking about, our license is an unclaimed piece of paper.

But at the same time, they believe that a private investigation is their diocese. And some feel like bishops and hieromonks, although not a single one has truly conducted a legal investigation - that is, from finding a client to paying tax. Before the appearance of the Russian Guard, they considered it shameful and even ridiculous to report to the inspector of the LRS, saying that they did not provide the inspector with contracts, since they did not have clients .... And now these guys got to our law and say that I do not live like that.

For myself, I have long decided that I’ll sit at the same table with the “innovators” if my interlocutors who call themselves detectives say that: a) their detective work is the only one with which they receive income; b) their license is not expired; c) they work under a contract with a client; d) their subject of the agreement coincides with the subject of payment for detective services; e) they regularly and conscientiously pay taxes; f) they have a website and a sign on the office door on which the word "Detective" is written.

This is a minimum of requirements, without which no one has the right to even look towards my law ....

Collecting, private intelligence companies, information companies and I'm sorry if anyone was hurt by the “security services” - all this is cunning and a concentrate of half-searched people - they all became possible thanks to our kindness, Victor, and lack of understanding of who we really are ... Hence, there are some more and more questions - why does the detective need his status in the CPC? (This replica is not addressed to the author of the post, Andrei Valerievich. His interesting and informative experience (at least for me) in maneuvering in laws is a consequence of crowding out detectives from the detective field, as well as the detective’s natural ability to get the minimum out of the existing procedural tool, and or rather, its absence.)

Therefore, I say that we need identification. It sounds strange, it turns out a shoemaker without boots, but without a deep understanding of our usefulness to society - especially ardent lobbyists of collectors will tear us, the last thousand detectives, like margarine on summer asphalt ....

Cool daddy, by the way ... Real?

 

[Группа К]

Question .... and what specific rights, in your opinion, should be given to a private detective participating in the process ... naturally criminal .... and what legal grounds are there for this .... besides this, can you give specific examples from practice, when without the availability of procedural rights, a private detective could not realize his abilities to collect information and provide it to a court or other body, taking into account the fact that BH provides its information only to the customer participating in the process, which can use it to exercise their rights ....

I believe the detective needs to secure his right to collect evidence in the Code of Criminal Procedure. This special authority must be confirmed by a license and be the right of a detective to act in court as a specialist and, together with a lawyer, to defend his point of view. The right to submit evidence is left to the lawyer. I talked about how to "fix" the evidence earlier, but it seems that no one heard me ....
The activities of each lawyer are a prime example in collecting and presenting evidence to the court. The question of examples is certainly important, but in my opinion, such a statement is from the category of substitution of concepts, since we are talking about ways to develop detective activity, and not about the possibilities of acting around the detective’s figure.

 

[Группа К]

Question .... and what specific rights, in your opinion, should be given to a private detective participating in the process ... naturally criminal .... and what legal grounds are there for this .... besides this, can you give specific examples from practice, when without the availability of procedural rights, a private detective could not realize his abilities to collect information and provide it to a court or other body, taking into account the fact that BH provides its information only to the customer participating in the process, which can use it to exercise their rights ....

I believe the detective needs to secure his right to collect evidence in the Code of Criminal Procedure. This special authority must be confirmed by a license and be the right of a detective to act in court as a specialist and, together with a lawyer, to defend his point of view. The right to submit evidence is left to the lawyer. I talked about how to "fix" the evidence earlier, but it seems that no one heard me ....
The activities of each lawyer are a prime example in collecting and presenting evidence to the court. The question of examples is certainly important, but in my opinion, such a statement is from the category of substitution of concepts, since we are talking about ways to develop detective activity, and not about the possibilities of acting around the detective’s figure.

In thinking about the rights of the detective, he brought up a new concept - Judicial detective: shock: What is not a new specialization?

 

[Группа К]

In time to think about creating a new association of forensic detectives

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Question .... and what specific rights, in your opinion, should be given to a private detective participating in the process ... naturally criminal .... and what legal grounds are there for this .... besides this, can you give specific examples from practice, when without the availability of procedural rights, a private detective could not realize his abilities to collect information and provide it to a court or other body, taking into account the fact that BH provides its information only to the customer participating in the process, which can use it to exercise their rights ....

I believe the detective needs to secure his right to collect evidence in the Code of Criminal Procedure. This special authority must be confirmed by a license and be the right of a detective to act in court as a specialist and, together with a lawyer, to defend his point of view. The right to submit evidence is left to the lawyer. I talked about how to "fix" the evidence earlier, but it seems that no one heard me ....
The activities of each lawyer are a prime example in collecting and presenting evidence to the court. The question of examples is certainly important, but in my opinion, such a statement is from the category of substitution of concepts, since we are talking about ways to develop detective activity, and not about the possibilities of acting around the detective’s figure.

But the question was posed differently ... And the answer should not be general phrases, but specifically ,,,, And this is all water ... And no concrete examples are given ... Well, okay ... So it’s simple to put the question, as we expected, will not be a concrete answer, with practical examples and justification .... Which confirms the absence of the need to allocate the BH in the criminal process with any status of a participant in the process ...

 

[Группа К]

Question .... and what specific rights, in your opinion, should be given to a private detective participating in the process ....

I believe the detective needs to secure his right to collect evidence in the Code of Criminal Procedure. This special authority must be confirmed by a license and be the right of a detective to act in court as a specialist and, together with a lawyer, to defend his point of view. The right to submit evidence is left to the lawyer. I talked about how to "fix" the evidence earlier, but it seems that no one heard me .... [/ quote = "Aleksandr Krioni"]

And the question was posed differently ... And the answer should not be general phrases, but specifically ,,,, And this is all water .... [/ quote = "Andrey Zakharov"]

Personally, I tried to answer strictly to your question, without water. You have the right to disagree with me, of course. But besides me, there are another 500 detectives on the forum. It is possible that right now one of the detective practitioners is writing down his case of participation in the process. So I propose not to draw quick conclusions yet. I have not many cases of participation in criminal investigations, but there are very indicative examples about which I will definitely tell.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Question .... and what specific rights, in your opinion, should be given to a private detective participating in the process ....

I believe the detective needs to secure his right to collect evidence in the Code of Criminal Procedure. This special authority must be confirmed by a license and be the right of a detective to act in court as a specialist and, together with a lawyer, to defend his point of view. The right to submit evidence is left to the lawyer. I talked about how to "fix" the evidence earlier, but it seems that no one heard me .... [/ quote = "Aleksandr Krioni"]

And the question was posed differently ... And the answer should not be general phrases, but specifically ,,,, And this is all water .... [/ quote = "Andrey Zakharov"]

Personally, I tried to answer strictly to your question, without water. You have the right to disagree with me, of course. But besides me, there are another 500 detectives on the forum. It is possible that right now one of the detective practitioners is writing down his case of participation in the process. So I propose not to draw quick conclusions yet. I have not many cases of participation in criminal investigations, but there are very indicative examples about which I will definitely tell.

As they say, we are waiting ... cases from practice ... and the validity of the need ....))) And about 500 detectives .... Something I doubt that someone else will "participate" in the discussion specifically ... And for the answer Alexander certainly, thank you ... We have different points of view on this question ... but the most important thing is to express them .... Maybe someone will find it useful to get to know them ...))))