Detective novel. Private detective. Ukraine.

[частный детектив Хмельницкий]

Dear Colleagues. My letter with the following text was sent to the authors of the article we are discussing:

From: Help Help <helpkm@mail.ru>
To: vd@vd.ua
Today, 15:55

Hello, dear Alisa Yurchenko and Anna Kibenok.
You are worried about one of the founders of the Detective Agency "UkrRozyskInfo". My name is Igor Nikolaevich.
The fact is that the article "Detective novel", published in your publication for October 2011, (No. 324) mentions our agency with reference to my statement at the Forum of the International Association of Detectives, presented to the reader as evidence of unwillingness to work within the law and evidence that we are one of those who resist the adoption of the Detective Act.
I want to note that your analysis of the statement fundamentally does not correspond to reality. The indignant statement related to the next statements about the “illegality” of private detective activity in Ukraine, which, let's say, does not quite correspond to reality. Our agency, as well as our colleagues from the Sevastopol agency “State Counselor” and the Kryvyi Rih detective agency “X-Info” unequivocally support the speedy adoption of the law and the full legalization of our activities. But the law is literate, taking into account realities and objective conditions, and not an act that will actually prohibit the work of private detectives. Your material: https://www.naviny.by/rubrics/society/20 ... 16_378655 / fully correspond to reality.
This letter was not written as a JUSTIFICATION, but as an INVITATION to continue the OBJECTIVE DISCUSSION OF THE TOPIC. To confirm our sincerity, I’ll add that our agency is absolutely openly registered in accordance with the laws of Ukraine, the coordinates that we leave everywhere correspond to our real location. Ready for any OPEN DIALOGUE, incl. on the pages of your publication.
Respectfully to you and your publication.
(I additionally inform you that a copy of this letter will be posted on the Forum of the International Association of Detectives, where there is a discussion of your article: index.php? threads / 5885 & p = 54549 # p54549 )
Details about us on the site: https://helpkm.com.ua/

 

[Частный детектив Киев.]

- Pavel Prygunov: “Private investigators do not want unnecessary control” Anna Kibenok | October 2011, (No. 324) print version ... In England and Germany, a system of interaction between private detectives and government agencies has been very effectively built: detectives have a license and access to the police information system.

In England and Germany, detectives do not have a license for NPV. They do not need it.

In Germany and will not have in the coming years. German BHs do not have and did not have access to the police information system!

In Great Britain (England) there is a massive lobbying for licensing of NPVs, but so far without success.

 

[Игорь Коракс]

Igor, absolutely the right decision. We will wait for an answer.

 

[Частный детектив Киев.]

VICTOR SWETZ: “In order to pass a bill on detective activity, it is necessary to reform the internal affairs bodies”
Anna Kibenok | October 2011, (No. 324)

The head of the committee on legislative support of law enforcement, together with MPs Vladimir Moisik and Yuri Karmazin, repeatedly tried to legislatively consolidate private detective work. However, the draft resolutions of the Verkhovna Rada were not approved in parliament. The People’s Deputy shared with VD the reasons for the strange phenomenon and put forward hypotheses about the future development of events.

What is the main obstacle to the adoption of the bill on private search activities?
- It’s not a secret for anyone that there are many lobbyists of law enforcement agencies in the parliament. These are people who have left this system and who influence decision making through political issues. The main problem is that the authorities represented by law enforcement agencies are afraid of competition. Law enforcement agencies understand their inefficiency and corruption and are afraid that there will be a body that will much faster and more competently achieve its goal of tracing attackers and conducting operational and technical measures. Moreover, among the detectives there are many former law enforcement officers who work closely with the current security forces. Naturally, the situation with this type of side job is beneficial to both parties.

What state changes, in your opinion, will accelerate the process of adopting a bill on detective activity?
- It is necessary to reform law enforcement agencies and move on to police structures that exist around the world. In this case, private detectives in many developed countries effectively interact with the police. Now our committee sets the goal of agreeing with the Ministry of Internal Affairs that they should not block the adoption of a law on private investigation. Indeed, in order to make any decision, it is necessary to conduct a serious negotiation process with the factions so that they support one or another bill. Without the law, detective agencies are a shadow business. I think that after the parliamentary hearings we will see in what direction the process of reforming the internal affairs bodies should move, and the further fate of the bill on detective activity.

Recently, a law on security activities was adopted (vetoed by the president), which, like the draft law on detective activity, was considered unapproved for years. How did you manage to collect the required number of votes in this case, and is it possible to go the same way in the situation with a private investigation?
“It was also an extremely complicated bill that has not been adopted for years.” As with detective agencies, there was no political will to approve of it. The committee that I am heading has taken a simple path. Since this activity is related to entrepreneurial structures, we met with the President of the Ukrainian Union of Entrepreneurs and Industrialists Anatoly Kinakh. Together with him we created a working group. They attracted the maximum number of interested people and found compromises on all uncoordinated issues. In this way, we have unblocked the state’s monopoly on security services. I think that soon we will come up to the bill on detective-search activity, where we will also stop the state’s legislative monopoly on conducting a warrant.

How do private investigators use the ARD methods, remaining unpunished and even determining the ratings of detective agencies?
- Some current law enforcement officers are in parallel paid employees of commercial structures. They cover them and make it possible to carry out operational-technical measures in relation to specific people. In 2009, Ukrainian courts gave more than 40 thousand permits for operational-technical measures (wiretaps, etc.). But as evidence in court, less than 1% of this number of permits is used. Most of the information obtained as a result of legal search operations is simply for sale.

and even rating detective agencies ?

- amused ..

 

[Частный детектив]

Dear forum users!
Such a respected association of detectives cannot be unnoticed by the media, but unfortunately, not everything that is negotiated with journalists appears in the right context on paper. Unfortunately, in the pursuit of sensationalism, many facts are twisted and escaped from a specific context.
I asked Andrei Matushkin to transfer the further discussion of the article to the closed compartment of our communication, and I hope my extended comments on the appearance of this article will be distributed in the near future via the semi-private mailing list.
All successful communication with reporters !

 

[Частный детектив]

Alexander, as I understand it, this quote from your employee was published with the knowledge of your agency?

“Then businessmen and politicians will have no one to turn to for help in investigating cases involving the control of children or with checking for spouses’ loyalty. But the rich people don’t even trust their own security service for fear of information leakage, ”says Gennady Melnik, detective of the Kassandra agency in Kiev

I have the same question .... About the three of us - phrases taken from the text in a distorted context, and the speech of “Kassandra” is direct ..... Sasha (“Kassandra”) explain the situation, please .....
And yet ..... I draw attention to how what is “removed” from the forum is being twisted: if we raise our discussion of that press conference, then my “Zadolbali” refers to the fact that I was indignant at the NEXT STATEMENT OF NOT THE LAW OF OUR ACTIVITY, but it is turned so that we are CATEGORIC OPPONENTS of the LAW .... Forgetting that we are OPPONENTS of the Naked and USEFUL Law, and a-PARTIES- THINKED and TAKING INTO ALL THE PARTIES of the BOP.
And how “beautifully” it is written about the “left” offices !!!! ..... If AUTHORS CONTINUE MONITORING THE FORUM, READ OUR COORDINATES ON THE SITE and CHECK- is there "UkrRozyskInfo" there?
The Kassandra link does not directly lead to an article ...... Questions continue ... Sasha, will you answer?

The article, as it’s not a shame, was born from our submission, BUT !!!:
1. With Anna Kibenok, we went to a meeting only at the request of our mutual friend, on whose recommendations Anna was presented as an exceptionally decent journalist;
2. at the start of our conversation, an agreement was reached regarding full “censorship” on our part for the publication of the corresponding article, which, unfortunately, did not happen at all !!!
3. The quote from our employee was completely taken out of the context of the conversation, and the article itself is completely different from the topic of the conversation that took place between us. In the attached file, a printscreen of letters from Anna Kibenok (as we agreed), in which she sent us for approval the first paragraph of the article. This paragraph did not appear in the published article (the conversation in this paragraph was about the detective agency Konrad and the like). Anna didn’t send anything more for coordination with us, and the article was born without any coordination with us - we learned "post factum" about its release.
At a meeting with Anna, I personally promoted the MOD that it was here that the real detective case professionals gathered, and not Conrad-like subjects popping up in the top of the search engine. But the journalists, as always in their repertoire, twisted everything and all the statements of detectives were taken out of a certain context.
So, Igor, I'm sorry, but in this situation I wanted the best, but it turned out somehow ... not really

 

[Игорь Коракс]

Then I would still like to wait for an answer from the editorial office to Igor’s letter.

 

[частный детектив Хмельницкий]

Thank you, Sasha. Now it’s clear how everything was and I would like to receive an answer from journalists .....

 

[Детективное агентство Симферополь]

I'd love to ...

 

[Детективное агентство. Украина. Харьков. Львов.]

From whom: odin-detective@rambler.ru
To: vd@vd.ua
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 19:55:14 +0400

Dear editors!

Everyone has long been accustomed to the fact that in the pursuit of interesting news and sensations, journalists "process" reliable information in accordance with their views and desires. But..
In the article of your publication https://www.naviny.by/rubrics/society/20 ... 16_378655 /, journalists Alisa Yurchenko, Anna Kibenok, using materials from the International Association of Detectives https://forum.detective-agency.info , turning the information upside down, they created the impression among readers that Ukrainian detective agencies work exclusively illegally and strive to maintain this situation.

If you carefully read the materials and developments of our Association, you can understand that:
1) Ukrainian detective agencies operate exclusively in the legal field, are registered as LLCs, state of emergency, regularly pay taxes in accordance with paragraph 74.60.0 of the All-Russian Classifier of Economic Activities of Ukraine.
2) These agencies do their best to lobby for the adoption of an adequate Law on Private Detective Activity
3) Fight against any manifestations of fraud in this area.
4) In fact, all the statements made by the MOD member used by the authors in the article are taken out of context and used exactly the opposite.

We are ready for communication and discussion with your publication, with any other media in order to convey to the public the concept that private detective work in Ukraine is necessary, legal and in demand.

Respectfully,
co-founder of Detective-collection agency ODIN LLC
Senik Sergey Vladimirovich
Kharkiv, st. Karl Marx 32, of.3
t. 0577611124
Website - odin-detective.uaprom.net