child monitoring

[Андрей Захаров]

Dear colleagues))) Often in announcements of private detective services, we come across a proposal of a service such as monitoring the behavior of children, in order to prevent the latter from committing any illegal acts, involving them in so-called "bad companies", etc. to find out the opinion of respected colleagues on the following question. Within the framework of what type of permitted activities regulated by the Federal Law of the Russian Federation "On Private Detective and Security Activities" it is possible to carry out activities to control children? (as part of the collection of information on civil, criminal cases, etc.)

 

[Детективное агентство Кострома]

I think it’s not worth it to drive strongly in accordance with the law. You can safely conclude an agreement with parents to ensure the safety of the child, his expensive things, in terms of preventing theft, possible criminal areas. We practically observe the object (backpack, satchel) which is not prohibited. But in fact, no one currently has questions from law enforcement officers about the legality of such activities in relation to children, naturally if the parents are in the know.

 

[Роберт]

Interesting topic.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

I think it’s not worth it to drive strongly in accordance with the law. You can safely conclude an agreement with parents to ensure the safety of the child, his expensive things, in terms of preventing theft, possible criminal areas. We practically observe the object (backpack, satchel) which is not prohibited. But in fact, no one currently has questions from law enforcement officers about the legality of such activities in relation to children, naturally if the parents are in the know.

Regarding questions from law enforcement officers, this is of course, there are no questions yet ... However, there is a slightly different question here about ensuring the safety of the child, monitoring things is the prerogative of the private security (PSO) and not the Black Sea ... This is what the matter is, sometimes parents ask them to “track” the child, to reveal his connections ... But here, it’s not private security anymore, namely NPV ... If we proceed from the fact that we are still watching him (the child), we monitor the safety of his belongings — in this case, the observation of the child will not be in the competence of the Black Sea Fleet, but in the jurisdiction of the PSO (hence the relevant agreements for the provision of such services only by private security guards working in PSBs by no means as detectives ...). And the Law on the provision of services to collect information regarding the private life of the child (it is BH that is allowed as a permitted activity) says nothing ...

 

[Частный детектив Самара.]

Andrei in the BH law doesn’t say much, it feels like they wrote him, so that he would just be. I think this: Who forbids me to see, to observe anyone at the request of my friends or at the request of friends of my acquaintances, as a rule, good clients come on the recommendation and, at the end of the case, become friends or even friends, it happens to me .
And if it’s literally what is not forbidden (there are no words about it in the law) then it’s allowed. IMHO

 

[Частный детектив Балашиха]

The law is good ..... Gathering information for business negotiations .... no need to "drive hard", Alexander is right.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Andrei in the BH law doesn’t say much, it feels like they wrote him, so that he would just be. I think this: Who forbids me to see, to observe anyone at the request of my friends or at the request of friends of my acquaintances, as a rule, good clients come on the recommendation and, at the end of the case, become friends or even friends, it happens to me .
And if it’s literally what is not forbidden (there are no words about it in the law) then it’s allowed. IMHO

Vitaly Borisovich))) Of course, all this is right ... This work is naturally done. However, the topic of discussion is not that the work can be done (to observe, etc., without signing the contract), but whether there are legal grounds for concluding agreements on private security services for the collection of information regarding a child (by order of parents) ... The relevance of the topic is that at present all of these activities regarding children are of course “rolled” so to speak ... And then what will happen - no one knows (as the saying goes, the will of the state is unpredictable ...) So you can think about how to “legalize” these issues ... Can there be legal ways to conclude contracts for the provision of such services of the Black Sea region ... Then after all, how is it ... Based on the norms of the Law, the same private security company can certainly provide services for the protection of property (things that are on the child), life and health, but on the other hand, the private security company cannot use such a method as monitoring the object ( on legal so say the basis, because observation in order to obtain information about the object (in particular, its contacts) is the field of activity of the black hole ...) The topic is also interesting because we need to know (as service providers) how to avoid possible troubles ...

 

[Андрей Захаров]

The law is good ..... Gathering information for business negotiations .... no need to "drive hard", Alexander is right.

Good afternoon, Oleg))) Yes, no one is driving Especially strongly: lol: It's just better to think and do, than to do, and then think, what did you do? (just kidding) And in life, of course, the solutions are found in any situation (regarding the execution of contracts, if they are of course executed) As they say, even if you are eaten, you still have two ways: lol:

 

[Частный детектив Самара.]

Andrei in the BH law doesn’t say much, it feels like they wrote him, so that he would just be. I think this: Who forbids me to see, to observe anyone at the request of my friends or at the request of friends of my acquaintances, as a rule, good clients come on the recommendation and, at the end of the case, become friends or even friends, it happens to me .
And if it’s literally what is not forbidden (there are no words about it in the law) then it’s allowed. IMHO

Vitaly Borisovich))) Of course, all this is right ... This work is naturally done. However, the topic of discussion is not that the work can be done (to observe, etc., without signing the contract), but whether there are legal grounds for concluding agreements on private security services for the collection of information regarding a child (by order of parents) ... The relevance of the topic is that at present all of these activities regarding children are of course “rolled” so to speak ... And then what will happen - no one knows (as the saying goes, the will of the state is unpredictable ...) So you can think about how to “legalize” these issues ... Can there be legal ways to conclude contracts for the provision of such services of the Black Sea region ... Then after all, how is it ... Based on the norms of the Law, the same private security company can certainly provide services for the protection of property (things that are on the child), life and health, but on the other hand, the private security company cannot use such a method as monitoring the object ( on legal so say the basis, because observation in order to obtain information about the object (in particular, its contacts) is the field of activity of the black hole ...) The topic is also interesting because we need to know (as service providers) how to avoid possible troubles ...

Andrei, let’s go to you. Of course, we don’t know each other and didn’t drink vodka, as they say, but judging by the presentation of thoughts, we are of the same blood Do not be like Robert in a customs jacket. What is the law on BH? empty formality no more ... No one is interested. It is interesting only to the initiators, i.e. parents. What in this situation are we doing illegally? We prevent possible crimes, the detrimental influence of the company the object could get into. And if we prevent this and notify our parents during the time, then maybe the child will not do something bad ... I always think about the word private, so I can personally help, without any laws that do not work in real life.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Andrei, let’s go to you. Of course, we don’t know each other and didn’t drink vodka, as they say, but judging by the presentation of thoughts, we are of the same blood Do not be like Robert in a customs jacket. What is the law on BH? empty formality no more ... No one is interested. It is interesting only to the initiators, i.e. parents. What in this situation are we doing illegally? We prevent possible crimes, the harmful influence of the company the object could fall into. And if we prevent this and notify the parents during the time, then maybe the child will not do something bad ... I always think about the word private, so I can personally help, without any on the laws that do not work in real life. [/quote]
Vitaly agrees))) I’m very glad to meet you)))) And by the situation, of course everything is so ... And people come to me with similar questions, try to help ... Therefore, I started this topic ... Many flaws in the laws, of course ... And Oleg Zimin is right (regarding the design) ... As one of the options ... However, the thing, in my opinion, is not lawful, not legal ... Helping parents will always be legal (from a moral point of view) ... Just this topic is about knowing where you can "stumble", substitute and try to be ready for it ... (this is a practical approach) ... To know as much as possible about those "hemorrhoids" that may arise ... I reason from the point of view of the former investigator ..., i.e. for example, what would I personally do (in terms of detecting violations) in order to “bury” the BH, so to speak ... And when you know certain “weaknesses”, then you can “patch” them ... It’s never harmful to think. ..