The difference in KR and detective work

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Vitya! Talk about the gray zone, it’s not black There is a law that we obey, no law, so why not work out the topic? We can say that detectives have a much stricter framework than ours, those who are involved in consulting and the Security Council. And all the same, everyone needs information and where to dig it legally, we are told by specialists of this direction.

And why is it even gray? Just because they did not write a special law on it? So lacking and not special, actually. More than enough, I would say.
And even where there is a special law - it is not necessarily about detective activity. There is, for example, the Media Law. And there is a journalistic investigation. I really don’t understand the logic of those who have a detective license - in this situation.

Here, as it seems to me, if a citizen has not violated the Law, there can be no complaints from the authorities that monitor compliance with the laws. The Criminal Code, CoAPP and Civil Code have not been canceled for anyone. Like a number of other laws.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

That's it, BSM all the time are slipping to do the usual ORM. And others think how they can be adapted to the civilian version!

Exactly. Well - and someone else will then argue about the lack of differences between the "marketers" and the "security"?

 

[JR Security Consulting Group]

Evgeny! My logic is simple, all that the law allows is a white zone. All that the law does not prohibit is a gray zone. All that is against the law is a black zone.
If I'm wrong, correct, I will be happy to gain new knowledge and understanding, especially from the lips of a professional.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Evgeny! My logic is simple, all that the law allows is a white zone. All that the law does not prohibit is a gray zone. All that is against the law is a black zone.
If I'm wrong, correct, I will be happy to gain new knowledge and understanding, especially from the lips of a professional.

Ah, got it. I do not know if you are right or not, but I believe that "everything that is not forbidden is allowed." Accordingly, if the Law is not violated, then the actions are carried out within the framework of the law.

Because you are either within, or beyond. In my opinion, just as one cannot be “a little pregnant”, so one cannot “almost break the law”. It can either be violated or not violated.

Perhaps the “gray zone" could be considered moments that are similar to breaking the law, but still are not. But in no way what is not reflected in the Law in principle.
After all, the Law regulates only the most significant moments of life, the rest is regulated by morality, ethics and traditions. Those. - legally.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

I recall the definition of crime - from the General Part of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (Article 14):

A crime is recognized as guilty of a committed socially dangerous act prohibited by this Code under the threat of punishment.

If you fall simultaneously under ALL points from the above - the Law is violated. If not, well, then no.

 

[JR Security Consulting Group]

I believe that you and I are right in this matter.

 

[Детектив-Юг]

Well, since the talk about illegal ...
That is, you want to say that detectives intrude into the personal lives of citizens, secretly monitor their correspondence, conduct searches and wiretap their phones? Can you tell me - on what basis?

Indeed, the observance of laws by those who are in uniform, as far as I know, is not completely identical in terms of the set of actions to the same for those who removed uniforms. You claim that it seems to be identical. Am I missing something and has the law changed? Tell me.

Eugene, we really don’t seem to understand each other.
Detectives do nothing of the above.
I had in mind the Detectives' strict observance of the laws of their country.
The Laws on Detective Activities clearly spell out what a Detective can do and what cannot.
For example, a detective can communicate with a citizen in order to receive any information from him only with his consent.

Evgeny! My logic is simple, all that the law allows is a white zone. All that the law does not prohibit is a gray zone. All that is against the law is a black zone.
If I'm wrong, correct, I will be happy to gain new knowledge and understanding, especially from the lips of a professional.

Add to the words of Jacob.
How does an individual legally formalize the volume of work performed?
Draws up a contract for the collection of information about what or about whom, provides a report or an act of work performed and holds the received bank fee?

 

[Бедеров Игорь Сергеевич]

Everyone chooses for himself a woman, religion, road ...
Serve the devil or the prophet ...

Everything is so subjective, a debate about the methods of perceiving one’s activity. Actually, there is a law and there are sanctions for its violation.

And there is our reality, when things are fabricated and innocent are planted ... This is also real ...

 

[JR Security Consulting Group]

Everyone chooses for himself a woman, religion, road ...
Serve the devil or the prophet ...

Everything is so subjective, a debate about the methods of perceiving one’s activity.

I agree in many ways.

 

[JR Security Consulting Group]

There is no dispute, I believe that everyone sees the methods of the Kyrgyz Republic based on their status or something, say a detective or the Security Council (consultant, Kyrgyz Republic, etc.)