Proposal to amend the Black Sea Act

[Плотников Юрий Михайлович]

Wisely .... And it seems, right .... And the Bill will turn out (for the Russian Federation) normal ... If we take the proposed draft as a basis and refine it taking into account the positive that is in our current legislation .... And answering Igor’s position on the "frail" discussion, I want to say again, is not so simple as it seems at first glance .... Of course, you can prepare some kind of document ... But again, it all comes down to the fact that this document needs to be intensely "push" .... And push (naturally those people who have a real opportunity to do this) will only not be free of charge .... And private detectives simply do not have the means to maintain such a "lobby" ... ( You yourself gave an example that you gave your project on HR to the legislator, and things are still there) .... Besides, you don’t want someone to “raise” “babosy” in your gratuitous work, giving out your work for your .... (for the same lawmaking and preparation of real proposals). And such, believe Igor (meaning people who betray someone else's and his own) is not enough .... Such is life ... Therefore, the situation, in our opinion, is a bit of a dead end .....

Something like this !

 

[Олегас]

I greet my colleagues, the version of my fellow countryman Vitas is not bad, but a lot of water has flowed over the past time and now our project is in the offic. form is very different, but we are taking feasible actions to lobby it in our favor

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

I greet my colleagues, the version of my fellow countryman Vitas is not bad, but a lot of water has flowed over the past time and now our project is in the offic. form is very different, but we are taking feasible actions to lobby it in our favor

Best the enemy of the good...

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Despite all of the above, a number of suggestions can be continued .... Maybe it will come in handy ... (for someone) ... Here, for example, is our vision of one of the articles of a possible draft law on NPV regarding the authorized types of activities of the black hole ....
Article ... .. Services of a private detective
1. A private detective can provide the following paid (paid) services that cannot be provided by persons who do not have a private detective license:
1) search (search) for missing or found missing persons, as well as persons with whom the customer has lost contact, the collection of information about these persons;
2) on the basis of an agreement with parents (adoptive parents), guardians, trustees, monitoring the behavior and environment of minor children (foster children), persons with limited or partially limited legal capacity, who have been appointed guardianship or trusteeship legislation, as well as collecting information about them that interests the customer ;
3) the collection of information necessary in the preparation of statements, objections, explanations to judicial, law enforcement, supervisory authorities in civil matters or in cases of administrative offenses, including information necessary to ensure and protect intellectual property rights and consumer rights.
4) on the basis of an agreement with an interested person, the collection of information on applications (reports) received by law enforcement agencies, for which verification is carried out in accordance with the norms of the criminal procedural statement, as well as on criminal cases initiated by the preliminary investigation and inquiry bodies, courts in order to establish relevant facts, circumstances, search for eyewitnesses, witnesses, persons involved in the commission of unlawful acts, objects, documents and other storage media, which, in the opinion of the customer, are necessary when carrying out activities regulated by the criminal procedure law. for the provision of this type of service, a private investigator must, within three days from the day the contract is drawn up, notify in writing the fact of the conclusion of the contract about it to the body in which the application (message) or criminal case is being processed.
The interested person specified in this clause, with whom the private detective has the right to enter into an agreement to render the above contract, may be participants in the criminal process (victims, suspects, accused, defendants, as well as persons against whom or at the request of which a preliminary verification in the manner regulated by the criminal procedure law), as well as their relatives (parents, children, persons with a different degree of relationship).
5) on the basis of an agreement with an individual, collecting information about his origin, family ties, biographical and other data;
6) the collection of information necessary to ensure the protection of commercial, professional secrets of the customer of the service, as well as for the preparation and conduct of business negotiations by the customer, verification of potential partners with which the customer intends to conclude any agreements, market research, establishing the circumstances of the unlawful use of brand names in entrepreneurial activity and denominations of unfair competition.
7) the search for missing (lost) property or documents.
8) on the basis of an agreement with a legal entity or an individual entrepreneur who is an employer, as well as an organization engaged in the issuance of loans, collection of information on the reliability and solvency of the employer's employees or candidates for the workplace, as well as persons intending to obtain a loan. The verification of these persons is allowed only in the presence of written consent to conduct verification by the inspected.
9) the search for the person who is the debtor in accordance with the executive document, his property, as well as the search for the child in the executive document containing the requirements for the selection of the child, on a contractual basis with the recoverer;
10) advice on private detective work;

2. Services of private detective activities, except for consulting services, are carried out only upon the conclusion of a written contract with the customer, drawn up in accordance with applicable civil law.

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

Thank you Valeryevich!

 

[Kuznecov.Igorj]

Hello ! That it is wise is for sure. I only think that one or two or three laws cannot be taken. Almost all BH laws and even the laws of the most advanced Western countries (Sweden, Finland, Holland, Norway) should be analyzed if such laws exist in these countries. Germans, the USA, Canada, and, possibly, China and Japan should be added here. For example, they announced to us that the Latvian Black Sea Act was created on the basis of the US law, but such a goof turned out. Create a working group and discuss almost every article. I understand that this will not work quickly, a year will have to work, but a really vital law will be worked out. This working group will have to determine which laws in connection with the BH law make amendments and additions and develop them. But the first thing that, in my opinion, needs to be done is to get hold of as many laws on BH as possible. That is my opinion. I do not want to give advice on what and how you need to do, but I will take part in the discussion of articles. The sensible law can really turn out and on its basis it will be possible to push the own. Apparently just for starters, you should get some support from the neighboring law enforcement agencies, with whom it is desirable to discuss urgent problems.

 

[Kuznecov.Igorj]

ANDREY VALERYEVICH!
Art. 1. ... can not be provided by persons who do not have a license for BH, the Police may also other security forces (which means not accuracy) Yes, and this license surrendered to you. I offer a CERTIFICATE, which replaces the certificate and is issued to an individual for a certain period, and a license is issued to the company if it has at least one certified BH. Any company, even bread = bakeries, if they want it.
The search for losses and those recognized as being completely absent. With losses it’s clear, that’s just the concept of loss, includes the concept of recognized bp in court. The first concept is wider and a logically incorrect statement is obtained.
I believe that everywhere to write on the basis of the contract does not make sense. This is given a specific article and all on it. The law is clogged.
You are trying to include in the law practically everything about BH activities. Laws are not developed by such methods. The Law practically indicates the main thing, and what is not indicated is stipulated below or in specific rules of the government.
If I am mistaken, then correct: the civil law of the Russian Federation implies various forms of contract, written, oral. Consultation is also a contract, but only verbal.
Sorry, but in my opinion there are still lapses. This cannot be inserted into the law. For example, a legal entity is understandable. A private entrepreneur is who is a legal entity or an individual in this case. I doubt that all this is tied to civil law, and he is in charge here. This is my opinion, I'm not going to teach anyone. But I am convinced that in the Russian Federation there are also some by-laws that govern the development of laws.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Igor))) Regarding licensees and people who do not have the right to provide services .... Again you are not careful .... We are talking about paid services (this is primarily) .... And the police (which you mention) do not provide paid services in this area .... Regarding other things .... Read carefully, before discussing or commenting on something (if you wish, of course), Russian Laws and you will understand what is the difference between an individual and the same individual entrepreneur .... The same can be advised at all before giving any recommendations or comments ... You probably need to know, and not assume what is at stake ... Not assumptions, namely Knowledge distinguishes a professional from an ordinary layman, ready discuss anything .... (but that’s the way ...). Regarding the fact that the Law should not contain specific norms, which, in your opinion, should be prescribed by other normative acts (government decrees, etc.) .. ..If such documents are born (meaning without specifics), especially in such Laws are a clear flaw in the legislators .... It does not require a detailed detailed elaboration of specific norms, only the Constitution, which declares general rules and rights .... And specific laws governing activities in a particular area should contain all the details of the activities. .... These are elementary rules of lawmaking .... Something like this .... But of course I won’t impose my opinion .... So be careful .... (I mean unsubscribing from phrases “taken” from the text ...) The same applies to your interpretation of the so-called “losses” to you ..... Regarding the general process of lawmaking .... This was mentioned earlier by us, it is the legislators or other persons who have the right of legislative initiative to prepare draft laws .... And for this they receive rewards (from the state treasury, by the way) .... So, to analyze something and cook something without the right of legislative initiative, and even more so at no cost, according to at least it’s not quite right .... And our opinion expressed is simply the opinion of a practitioner who has repeatedly come across a divergence of existing legislation and who is trying to simply draw attention (even at the level of nothing meaningful discussion) to these shortcomings ....

 

[Kuznecov.Igorj]

I welcome you Andrey Valerievich! I agree with you, but only to some extent. There are no impossible tasks. The one who wants to do something is looking for ways to fulfill his plan, and the one who does not want is looking for excuses. I do not mean you. This is a general outline. If you plan to change the law, then this should be done, and not reflect on how and where to push it. I will give an example. When Latvia separated, the orders of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs were canceled. I had to push through an interim order to establish the identity of unidentified dead in Riga and surrounding areas. Compiled, sent out, collected with comments and recommendations, sent again and received again. He put it all together and carried it for signature. It took half a year or a little more and pushed through. The order was valid for 2 years. I wanted and I did. How and where to push, I'm sorry, but I believe that you will not decide this question. Apparently this will be done by Mr. A. Matushkin. So is it worth it even before you start drafting the law, already skeptical about this issue. And it’s not the point of who will pay whom and how much and who our hands will take over. This is the tenth, even hundredth question, which is not necessary to consider. Or do you want to be known as a drafter of the law? So make and publish here on the site. We will discuss and decide what to change and supplement. It would be a desire. And I see that there is no desire to work with brains. Even a working group has not been created, the president has not considered this issue, and problems are already being sought. And maybe there will be no problems if it is sensible to compile and not introduce into the law an article on the use of BH weapons. It is just necessary at a certain level to convene a meeting at which to discuss this issue, to invite representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor's office, the press, to show what the BH is not happy with and what the benefits of the adoption of the new law will be. It is necessary to do, and not sit still. I understand that this is much more difficult than discussing articles, but the thing is right and necessary.

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

I agree with Igor Borisovich!
With us it is necessary to be more strict, and you we completely went nuts ...: oops: