Competitive intelligence in the Premier League business

[Бедеров Игорь Сергеевич]

Igor))) The object from which it is necessary to obtain information, the object is not retail, but wholesale (this is written in my post and quoted by you) ...

Who cares. Even easier. Under the guise of a customer / s to call and be interested in a product

 

[Бедеров Игорь Сергеевич]

When I investigated fraud in one glorious network ... which just was not there.

What other ways ...

It is clear that the movement of goods is recorded in the accounting system (1C, Axapt. Crystal, etc.). You need to look for access to the accounting system.
We analyze the TRIZ task into its component parts and everything turns out ...

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Regarding the law, “look around”, “talk” - this is because a specific task has been set ... And this task should be carried out legally ... Regarding the BH actions, the BH should always act within the framework of the Law regulating its activities. ..For the Kyrgyz Republic there is no such law ... Therefore, it is not possible to argue that the Kyrgyz Republic always acts only within the framework of the Law ... Given the fact that by conducting events to collect information such as “oral questioning”, “visual observation” The Kyrgyz Republic is forced to give out these events as a “see, talk” —that is already a violation of the Law (in particular, article 20.16 of the Administrative Offenses Code of the Russian Federation-minimum) ... I don’t need to work with some (muddy) clients, I agree ... However, we are not considering a specific case with a specific client, but a task (although its conditions may well correspond and sometimes correspond) to reality ... Concerning the "catch" of the Criminal Code example, the data collected by the "collector" of this nature may well be seen from leaving the crime, stipulating responsibility under Article 201 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (depending on whether the person who divulged such information is an official in this enterprise) ... So what exactly is the answer to the questions ...

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

When I investigated fraud in one glorious network ... which just was not there.

What other ways ...

It is clear that the movement of goods is recorded in the accounting system (1C, Axapt. Crystal, etc.). You need to look for access to the accounting system.

Well, just do not overdo it, so as not to fall under Art. 274. Violation of the rules for the operation of means of storage, processing or transmission of computer information and information and telecommunication networks

"1. Violation of the rules for the operation of means of storage, processing or transmission of protected computer information or information and telecommunication networks and terminal equipment, as well as rules for access to information and telecommunication networks , which entailed the destruction, blocking, modification or copying of computer information, causing major damage ... "

However, one cannot overdo it in other types of access to information - because it is impossible to violate the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Igor))) The object from which it is necessary to obtain information, the object is not retail, but wholesale (this is written in my post and quoted by you) ...

Who cares. Even easier. Under the guise of a customer / s to call and be interested in a product

Yes, Igor ... It seems that it’s not so simple ... Getting access to electronic document management is another matter ... The most normal option ... However, in this case, it is possible to commit crimes on the part of people extracting such information ... (also st. 201 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) ... Well, what do you think, what will happen in this case, espionage, the Kyrgyz Republic, or something else ...

 

[Бедеров Игорь Сергеевич]

So, if (TRIZ) it is impossible to get access to the database physically, you need to get access to the user of the database ... The course of the solution changes and that’s it.

This is the easy way. In this example, it makes no sense to complicate and conduct analytics and observation, to count the boxes in the warehouse (try still to find your specific product in the warehouse). The solution should be as simple as possible.

You can record a phone call to the recorder and conduct daily analytics on the movement of goods in the table. As a result of (weeks, let’s say) you give out materials to the customer.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

When I investigated fraud in one glorious network ... which just was not there.

What other ways ...

It is clear that the movement of goods is recorded in the accounting system (1C, Axapt. Crystal, etc.). You need to look for access to the accounting system.

Well, just do not overdo it, so as not to fall under Art. 274. Violation of the rules for the operation of means of storage, processing or transmission of computer information and information and telecommunication networks

"1. Violation of the rules for the operation of means of storage, processing or transmission of protected computer information or information and telecommunication networks and terminal equipment, as well as rules for access to information and telecommunication networks , which entailed the destruction, blocking, modification or copying of computer information, causing major damage ... "

On the issue of violation of access rules, in order to violate the rules, it is necessary that they take place ... Moreover, in writing, on signature, so to speak ... Such rules in enterprises in most cases are simply absent ... And that means they cannot be violated ...

However, one cannot overdo it in other types of access to information - because it is impossible to violate the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

Regarding the fact that it is impossible, for sure

 

[Бедеров Игорь Сергеевич]

Yes, Igor ... It seems that it’s not so simple ... Getting access to electronic document management is another matter ... The most normal option ... However, in this case, it is possible to commit crimes on the part of people extracting such information ... (also st. 201 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) ... Well, what do you think, what will happen in this case, espionage, the Kyrgyz Republic, or something else ...

Why not? So you voiced the problem not until the end, more conditions are introduced ... And we decide further.

In fact, wholesalers also trade. Interested in customers. So serve them customers. Seven days - seven customers. Moreover, encrypt, include the product you are interested in in a list of several others, and change the others day by day.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Regarding the rule of law, “look around,” “talk,” after all, a specific task has been set ... And this task must be carried out legally ...

Did not understand you. Our task is to determine the volume, not to talk. But if there is no CT regime, talking, as I understand it, is not forbidden.
or what do you mean?

On the issue of BH-BH actions, it should always act within the framework of the Law regulating its activities ... For the Kyrgyz Republic there is no such law ... Therefore, it is not possible to assert that the Kyrgyz Republic always acts only within the framework of the Law ...

The whole range of legislation of the Russian Federation applies to a specialist in the Kyrgyz Republic, which applies to other citizens.
But as for the legitimacy of the Kyrgyz Republic itself - I recall: it appeared by eliminating illegal components from state intelligence methods. Therefore, the Kyrgyz Republic in no way can be illegal. In this case, it will end and industrial espionage will begin. We have actually discussed this many times here.

Considering all the more, the fact that when conducting events to collect information such as “oral interviewing”, “visual observation” of the Kyrgyz Republic is forced to give out these events for “see, talk” —that is already a violation of the Law (in particular, article 20.16 of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation-minimum ) ...

I just talk and watch. I do neither ORM nor "visual observation". I have natural rights as a person - to watch, listen, think ... If someone does not like this - let him show me the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, which prohibits it. No such article? Goodbye everyone with their complaints about this. Who wants to solder the administration for this to me - success to him in the legal field. Then I will also write in the newspaper how it was - as a warning to other prohibitions. And I will be right, by the way.

Regarding the fact that we don’t need to work with some clients () muddy), I agree ... However, we are not considering a specific case with a specific client, but a task (although its conditions may well correspond and sometimes correspond) to reality ... Relatively " catch "Criminal Code example is given in the actions of a" collector "of information of a similar nature the offense may be found to provide for liability under Article 201 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (depending on whether the person who divulged such information is an official in this enterprise). .. So what exactly is the answer to the questions ...

Listen, where specifically? You won’t even try to come up with anything criminal, but you came up with the maximum administrative offense, and then for some options, but not for all. And even that, in fact, is far-fetched, by the ears and will fall apart when trying to implement it.

In my opinion, with such a data set, it can be stated that the answers have already been given and that even the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation could not be applied to them. And if so, there is no industrial espionage there.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

So, if (TRIZ) it is impossible to get access to the database physically, you need to get access to the user of the database ... The course of the solution changes and that’s it.

This is the easy way. In this example, it makes no sense to complicate and conduct analytics and observation, to count the boxes in the warehouse (try still to find your specific product in the warehouse). The solution should be as simple as possible.

You can record a phone call to the recorder and conduct daily analytics on the movement of goods in the table. As a result of (weeks, let’s say) you give out materials to the customer.

Igor))) In practice, who will voice daily (over a long period of time, even a month) to someone or by telephone the number of balances of a specific name of a product in a warehouse ... I personally have never met this before (regarding they are telling everyone about the "balances") and, I think this way of collecting information "will not work" ... Regarding the questions of a major client, for example, everyone knows every such "major" person, so to speak, in person ... And it’s unlikely whether such a method is also acceptable ... And every person who intends to acquire a sufficiently large batch of goods is "seen through" by 100, so to speak ... As is likely in all more or less serious organizations ...