Competitive intelligence in the Premier League business

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

In fact, wholesalers also trade. Interested in customers. So serve them customers. Seven days - seven customers. Moreover, encrypt, include the product you are interested in in a list of several others, and change the others day by day.

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And you can do more than one a day.
And we have not yet touched on the issue of buyers. And they - the existing customers of this wholesaler who should become ours tomorrow - can also tell a lot. Often they can give a ready-made answer. Moreover, they certainly are not the guardians of someone else's trade secret, even if it was introduced at the wholesaler.

 

[Бедеров Игорь Сергеевич]

Andrey Zakharov

Can you imagine the volume of such calls at a large wholesale company ??? All ride. I still didn’t recognize on the phone)))))

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Igor. "it's not gonna go"...

Someone may not be. But for an existing client, for example, preparing a major deal with a new buyer - completely. And not only the leftovers, but also the volumes will be voiced. You need to ask correctly and through the right channel.
In general, the whole chain must be drawn on a piece of paper and look at which section there is the necessary information. And poke there in a way that is more convenient. One will not work - the other will work for sure.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Regarding the rule of law, “look around,” “talk,” after all, a specific task has been set ... And this task must be carried out legally ...

Did not understand you. Our task is to determine the volume, not to talk. But if there is no CT regime, talking, as I understand it, is not forbidden.
or what do you mean?

On the issue of BH-BH actions, it should always act within the framework of the Law regulating its activities ... For the Kyrgyz Republic there is no such law ... Therefore, it is not possible to assert that the Kyrgyz Republic always acts only within the framework of the Law ...

The whole range of legislation of the Russian Federation applies to a specialist in the Kyrgyz Republic, which applies to other citizens.
But as for the legitimacy of the Kyrgyz Republic itself - I recall: it appeared by eliminating illegal components from state intelligence methods. Therefore, the Kyrgyz Republic in no way can be illegal. In this case, it will end and industrial espionage will begin. We have actually discussed this many times here.

Considering all the more, the fact that when conducting events to collect information such as “oral interviewing”, “visual observation” of the Kyrgyz Republic is forced to give out these events for “see, talk” —that is already a violation of the Law (in particular, article 20.16 of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation-minimum ) ...

I just talk and watch. I do neither ORM nor "visual observation". I have natural rights as a person - to watch, listen, think ... If someone does not like this - let him show me the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, which prohibits it. No such article? Goodbye everyone with their complaints about this. Who wants to solder the administration for this to me - success to him in the legal field. Then I will also write in the newspaper how it was - as a warning to other prohibitions. And I will be right, by the way.

Regarding the fact that we don’t need to work with some clients () muddy), I agree ... However, we are not considering a specific case with a specific client, but a task (although its conditions may well correspond and sometimes correspond) to reality ... Relatively " catch "Criminal Code example is given in the actions of a" collector "of information of a similar nature the offense may be found to provide for liability under Article 201 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (depending on whether the person who divulged such information is an official in this enterprise). .. So what exactly is the answer to the questions ...

Listen, where specifically? You won’t even try to come up with anything criminal, but you came up with the maximum administrative offense, and then for some options, but not for all. And even that, in fact, is far-fetched, by the ears and will fall apart when trying to implement it.

In my opinion, with such a data set, it can be stated that the answers have already been given and that even the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation could not be applied to them. And if so, there is no industrial espionage there.

And finally, there’s no answer, there is no industrial espionage ... I see ... Based on this logic of things described by Eugene, if the actions of the person collecting the information do not contain any particular criminal offense (not an administrative offense) - there is no “espionage” .. .If there is a place in the actions of the person collecting the information to commit any crime-espionage-on the person ... And if the actions of such a person contain an administrative offense (the same article 20.16 of the Code of Administrative Offenses), the question is open and rests, according to Eugene, only in the matter of evidence of unlawful actions ... However, in this case we are not considering the evidence of unlawful behavior of a person (I watched and talked, but did not “carry out visual observation” and did not conduct “oral questioning”), but the legality of the behavior itself such a person ... Well, okay, I see ...

 

[Бедеров Игорь Сергеевич]

In this war, objectively caused by the processes of competition, everything is more substantial and
the forms and methods of informational confrontation are more noticeable,
received in the media the name "information war." Moreover, in such a "war"
more and more often find prohibited and dirty ways, forms,
industrial espionage methods in the form of :

theft and unauthorized removal of information about
know-how technologies, about individuals and legal entities that
subsequently used to organize the production of products - fakes
low quality and the creation of various kinds of incriminating evidence;


contacts planned by competitors that develop into bribery, threats, or
blackmail and, ultimately, inclinations for proactive cooperation;


secret and unauthorized copying (reproduction)
confidential documents and the know-how technologies contained in them with
using modern office equipment or espionage tools;


penetration into personal computers and computer systems (networks) in
to obtain confidential information from them; or
personal data;

intentional blocking of work
information protection means, violation of access control or access control measures
to information, data or documents related to commercial and other
a secret.

https://works.tarefer.ru/68/100229/index.html

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Well, yes - I wrote from the very beginning that in practice the border between competitive intelligence and industrial espionage follows the Criminal Code.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Well, yes - I wrote from the very beginning that in practice the border between competitive intelligence and industrial espionage follows the Criminal Code.

I will supplement myself. It is important that the same actions may be legal or illegal, depending on their design. And also that the same information can be obtained both legally and illegally. It is in the ability to find legal solutions that the subject of qualification of a specialist consists. Lawyers, in fact, also work.
Therefore, one cannot abstractly say whether there is industrial espionage or not. It is necessary to consider how the specialist acted.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Continuing the theme-interpretation of "industrial espionage"
Industrial espionage

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Industrial espionage is a form of unfair competition in which the illegal receipt, use, disclosure of information constituting a commercial, official or other secret protected by law is carried out with the aim of obtaining advantages in carrying out entrepreneurial activities, as well as obtaining material benefits.
The main purpose of industrial espionage is to save time and money that is needed to catch up with a leading competitor or to prevent the competitor from lagging in the future if he has developed or is developing a new promising technology, as well as to enter new markets for the enterprise.
This is also true of interstate competition, where issues of national security are added to issues of economic competitiveness.
The main difference between industrial espionage and competitive intelligence is that industrial espionage violates the law, primarily criminal law, while competitive intelligence cannot do this.
Industrial espionage remains and will remain a powerful tool of state intelligence, the purpose of which is to directly violate the laws of foreign states in the interests and on behalf of their country.
Recently, at the enterprise level, the choice has been increasingly made in favor of competitive intelligence, since the enterprise does not have the authority of state intelligence, therefore, in the event of a failure of industrial espionage, it risks being held criminally liable and also incurs reputation risks.
According to some researchers, in many cases, small and medium-sized enterprises resort to industrial espionage because they are not trained in competitive intelligence methods, and often do not even know about their existence. In a situation where the need to survive or increase competitiveness exists objectively, and the enterprise is not informed about the availability of legal methods to achieve the result, some companies embark on the path of industrial espionage. In this regard, societies of competitive intelligence professionals around the world include educational functions in their tasks.
Industrial espionage methods include:
1. Bribery of a person having access to information related to commercial, official, or other secret protected by law
2. Blackmail against the same circle of persons
3. Theft of media with information representing commercial, official, or other secret protected by law
4. Introducing an agent into a competitor’s enterprise or country with the task of gaining access to information or products that constitute the subject of commercial or other secret protected by law
5. Illegal access to commercially significant information through the use of technical means (wiretapping of telephone lines, illegal penetration into computer networks, etc.).

Probably something like this ... However, there are still a lot of ambiguities ... Although, at least as a result of the discussion, the possibilities of the Kyrgyz Republic on some methods and methods of obtaining information and others ...

 

[Бедеров Игорь Сергеевич]

Industrial espionage methods include:
1. Bribery of a person having access to information related to commercial, official, or other secret protected by law
2. Blackmail against the same circle of persons
3. Theft of media with information representing commercial, official, or other secret protected by law
4. Introducing an agent into a competitor’s enterprise or country with the task of gaining access to information or products that constitute the subject of commercial or other secret protected by law
5. Illegal access to commercially significant information through the use of technical means (wiretapping of telephone lines, illegal penetration into computer networks, etc.).

Probably something like this ... However, there are still a lot of ambiguities ... Although, at least as a result of the discussion, the possibilities of the Kyrgyz Republic on some methods and methods of obtaining information and others ...

Bribery, blackmail, theft, violence, insider hacking - the whole bouquet of the Criminal Code. Eugene Leonidovich said the same thing!

 

[Андрей Захаров]

and plus another implementation: lol: Now with the capabilities of KR, it’s more or less clear ...