Independent experts - help or harm

[Детективное агентство ИКС-Инфо.]

I rushed !!!
And .... I did not lose.

And we have not finished yet, but just begun ...

I get it.
This is a warm-up ... was
Intelligence grapple? Interrresno ...

 

[Элен]

I rushed !!!
And .... I did not lose.

And we have not finished yet, but just begun ...

Nice to talk with a smart person! May others envy! : D

 

[Anonymous]

Intelligence grapple? Interrresno ...

Is this a question on this topic or as usual rubbish for a quotation mark?

 

[Anonymous]

Helen, nice to see you on the forum.
Let's teach the “detectives” together how to work according to the conclusions of experts who are official and have the appropriate status, and “independent experts,” who are sometimes not even experts in this field.
Help the community recognize who is who.

 

[Элен]

With pleasure, Andrew! We teach - in a fair fight)))

Section 79. Appointment of Expertise
Examination may be entrusted forensic institution , a specific expert or several experts.
According to the concept of "concrete expert", this also applies to the concept of state, as it implies consideration of issues requiring special knowledge in various fields science, technology, arts, crafts , i.e. specialists engaged in constantly specific research, not included in the relevant list of types of examinations defined by order of the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation. And these specific studies should be carried out on a strictly scientific basis in accordance with the Law "On State Judicial Expert Activity in the Russian Federation." And the scientific basis for us is also provided only for state educational institutions.
Conclusion, the involvement of private practitioners in litigation is allowed only for specific exclusive crafts.

The logic of your reasoning is not entirely clear: it is clear with a forensic institution - a determination or decision is made with an indication of the SEU and, so to speak, “to a specific SEU”. But then it’s very vague: why does a “specific expert” mean a state expert ?? Art. 41 of the Law quoted by you states that the Federal Law No. 73 of 05.31.2001 applies to forensic activities of persons who are not state forensic experts:
"In accordance with the norms of the procedural legislation of the Russian Federation, forensic examination can be carried out outside state forensic institutions by persons with special knowledge in the field of science, technology, art or craft, but not state forensic experts."
That is, a "specific expert" is not equal to a "specific expert of the state SEU".
Further logic completely baffles me. The situation is reminiscent of a joke: Vovochka puts experience on a cockroach - lets him out of the box and shouts: run! The cockroach runs away. Little Johnny tears off a cockroach's foot. Repeats the experiment - the cockroach runs away. Without two paws - the effect is the same. Finally, all the legs of the cockroach are torn off. Little Johnny shouts: run! The cockroach does not move. Little Johnny writes in conclusions: a cockroach cannot hear without legs.
How to address issues requiring specialized knowledge in various fields science, technology, arts, crafts It is clear to me that it is connected with a "strictly scientific basis", but why a state expert possesses this knowledge, and a non-state a priori is deprived of this knowledge - I do not understand. For example, I studied at the same educational institution with my acquaintance - now an expert-phonoscopist FSKN. We received the same education. A strictly scientific basis was present. Examinations are done in accordance with the higher education. The only difference is that he is state, and I am not.
So the conclusion that a cockroach cannot hear without legs seems dubious to me)
And the involvement of specialists engaged in private practice in the lawsuit, in my opinion, allows you to "renew the blood" in the system of forensic expert activity.

 

[@InfoPoisk]

And the involvement of private practitioners in the lawsuit, in my opinion, allows you to "renew the blood" in the system of forensic science.

According to our judicial system, “renewed blood” must flow like a river, and why then only a small trickle is breaking through at present?

 

[Элен]

... in accordance with Section 8 of the Law on State Judicial Expert Activity in the Russian Federation, an expert conducts research objectively, on a strictly scientific and practical basis , within the relevant specialty, comprehensively and in full. The expert opinion should be based on the provisions giving the opportunity to verify the validity and reliability of the conclusions based on generally accepted scientific and practical data .
And not on private ones, sometimes having relatively wide thresholds for the probability of identity.

Andrey, “private methods” do not exist. A non-state expert, like a state one - we present the ideal option - is guided by modern scientific achievements and developments. Another thing - there is no technique. This is problem! Both for state and non-state. And now there are so many such gaps. Methodologists do not have time to prescribe methods. However, the lack of methodology is not a problem of inference, but the problem of finding a path. You can verify the validity and reliability of the conclusions made by the expert in the absence of a methodology. By the way, many techniques (real, good, "tested") were born that way - through practical testing. Crystallized out.

... from the breadth of the boundaries of the result, the expert can make (by “order”) a definitive conclusion by moving it from the average result or up or down.

From the breadth of the borders of the result, “LELs” are very often obtained — this is the flip side of the coin. Why not talk about her?

Testing ... of the methods is carried out just to determine the result of the study to the state of identity, so as not to give the expert the opportunity to manipulate the conclusion.
Only these methods are included in a single register of expert methods, after their approval by the interdepartmental body.

I will refer with pleasure to the methodology for analyzing extremist texts. But it does not exist! Has not crystallized yet. To everyone’s expert regret!

I believe, but money sometimes decides the outcome of the situation, the temptation is great, and sometimes not everyone succeeds in refraining from the “monkeys” of behavioral actions inherent in man. And for the current situation in Russia, even more so ...

This reflection, due to its universality, is applicable not only to all categories of experts, but to all of humanity as a whole

 

[Детективное агентство Симферополь]

I rushed !!!
And .... I did not lose.

And we have not finished yet, but just begun ...

I get it.
This is a warm-up ... was
Intelligence grapple? Interrresno ...

I don’t know about you, Rum, but on this topic I will stand aside, I won’t clog the air - I’ll see what expertly smart people write

 

[Элен]

Lord!
It seems to me that Andrei and I, without noticing it ourselves, smoothly proceeded to discuss issues of professional ethics and touched on the problem of motivation. Therefore, I suggest we judge . In my opinion, the motivation of a non-state expert is quite high. A real non-governmental expert (not the one who made one conclusion at the request of a friend or for a lot of money to get it and not get involved anymore) has a fairly high level of motivation. He is worried about the status, about his daily bread, the presence of which is directly related to the status (if you do it poorly or “on order” - the authorities will not keep it for a long time), about tomorrow - in every sense of the word. It is more difficult for a non-state expert to "wedge into the system" - he is always a "stranger": when you come to court - you are not essentially asked questions, but first you’ll find out the whole biography — how many he studied, how many experts, and how many times he appeared in court ... Non-state the expert is constantly in a highly competitive environment - the wolf is fed feet, and the expert organization (and the expert) has a reputation. Finally, a non-state expert “not under state protection” is responsible for himself.
I can’t judge the state expert - I have never been in his shoes.
And I heard bad and good reviews both about some and about others.
What are your opinions on this?

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

Elena, good day. I suggest you create your page on the Forum so that you don’t write a lot about yourself and about those services. which you provide.
How to name your section? Personal page .........., Forum participants.
Sincerely, Matushkin Andrey.