Question about Armenia !!!

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Colleagues, I believe that now the discussion is not about the difficulties of "working" with China, but about the quality of the work done by Armen. There was an order, Armen took up its implementation, at the moment the "final report" was released. What's next ... The Dragon Boat Festival in China ended on Wednesday (June 12, 2013) - https://ukr-china.com/left/Informatsiya/ ... e_v_kitae /, and an intelligible answer from Armen and partners with There is no China.

Vitaly is much more complicated here, it’s China and many don’t even imagine what it is.
Without knowing the essence of the matter, it’s difficult to judge, but most likely the client was simply divorced and there was no company or production, and the accounts were most likely left too.
The guys took up the work which is much more difficult to do than it seemed at first glance.
I will not paint why, for sure everyone is clear.

 

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but most likely the client was simply divorced and there was no company as well as production, and the accounts were most likely left too.

This is indisputable and absolutely true. Why did the customer contact that? The task was precisely to establish these same scammers, and after that, to consider the possibility of returning money. What did the client get as a result? He received a report with FALSE information, but it’s hard to call a report, really a filkin letter. If it doesn’t work out, it was necessary to inform during these two weeks that it doesn’t work, they say sorry friend, it doesn’t work, I return the money, and not feed it with promises and loud statements, it would be fair and honest, the question would be answered and not subject to discussion . I think you will agree with me. At the expense of the left accounts, I do not agree with you. Two days ago, I met on this topic and spoke with a representative of the Ministry of Public Security of China, according to him, in China it is NOT possible to open a bank account or withdraw money from an account without an identity document. Therefore, in his words, a bank account is the only clue to reach out to these scammers, in principle, what he is doing now. I don’t know what the result will be, time will tell.

 

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The guys took up the work which is much more difficult to do than it seemed at first glance.
I will not paint why, for sure everyone is clear.

By the way, if a person takes up work that is much more difficult to do than it seemed at first glance, and as a result sends false information, and also offers the second stage, in my opinion, this is mockery.

 

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At the expense of the left accounts, I do not agree with you. Two days ago, I met on this topic and spoke with a representative of the Ministry of Public Security of China, according to him, in China it is NOT possible to open a bank account or withdraw money from an account without an identity document. Therefore, in his words, a bank account is the only clue to reach out to these scammers, in principle, what he is doing now. I don’t know what the result will be, time will tell.

You're right, but a Chinese account holder doesn’t cost that much.
If this is a kidnyak, then you can safely stop the search.
And as for this order, I will say the following:
Only no offense and nothing personal, this is subjectively my opinion.
The conclusion of this contract is an adventure from the very beginning.
If the client insists and all the same wants to pay the bills, he must initially explain that this is money down the drain!
The result will be 90% zero.
If, all the same, he is ready to pay, negotiate details, go to the place and try to solve problems himself, with the help of his friends, pay for services only based on the result. The Chinese simply have a short memory, they work on a prepaid basis and here they cut the money and the whole question is closed.
It’s not in vain that our comrades themselves advance there and load containers onto barges.

Tell the customer dearly, the customer is tight!
So he’s a sucker himself, he drove the money, but he was greedy to go on a trip or send someone to talk and control, so they threw it.

EXPENSIVE!
He has irretrievably lost 40 pieces and is likely to pay no more than 5-10%, so it incurs ......... losses.
So these are his problems, he has already irretrievably lost everything, and if even a little is returned to him, he should be happy ..

Azis and Armen do not break your spears, resolve the situation and for the future really assess your strengths and capabilities and write the right price tag.

The client doesn’t like it, let it pass by, your client will come tomorrow.
It is better to sit exactly a month than then two .......... to disentangle.

Sincerely, Victor.

 

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At the expense of the left accounts, I do not agree with you. Two days ago, I met on this topic and spoke with a representative of the Ministry of Public Security of China, according to him, in China it is NOT possible to open a bank account or withdraw money from an account without an identity document. Therefore, in his words, a bank account is the only clue to reach out to these scammers, in principle, what he is doing now. I don’t know what the result will be, time will tell.

You're right, but a Chinese account holder doesn’t cost that much.
If this is a kidnyak, then you can safely stop the search.
And as for this order, I will say the following:
Only no offense and nothing personal, this is subjectively my opinion.
The conclusion of this contract is an adventure from the very beginning.
If the client insists and all the same wants to pay the bills, he must initially explain that this is money down the drain!
The result will be 90% zero.
If, all the same, he is ready to pay, negotiate details, go to the place and try to solve problems himself, with the help of his friends, pay for services only based on the result. The Chinese simply have a short memory, they work on a prepaid basis and here they cut the money and the whole question is closed.
It’s not in vain that our comrades themselves advance there and load containers onto barges.

Tell the customer dearly, the customer is tight!
So he’s a sucker himself, he drove the money, but he was greedy to go on a trip or send someone to talk and control, so they threw it.

EXPENSIVE!
He has irretrievably lost 40 pieces and is likely to pay no more than 5-10%, so it incurs ......... losses.
So these are his problems, he has already irretrievably lost everything, and if even a little is returned to him, he should be happy ..

Azis and Armen do not break your spears, resolve the situation and for the future really assess your strengths and capabilities and write the right price tag.

The client doesn’t like it, let it pass by, your client will come tomorrow.
It is better to sit exactly a month than then two .......... to disentangle.

Sincerely, Victor.

I categorically disagree with you Victor. Saying that the client is a wrong sucker If he were a sucker, he would not be a respectable person and did not manage a large company, suckers as a rule do not know how to make money. I agree that there are suckers among clients, I agree, but these same suckers turn to me, to you, to other people for help. No one forces us to work with them and state the amount of money for our services. But now, I agreed with the person that you will help, I received the money from him in full, and then say that "Sorry friend, you goof, you had to go yourself and control everything." Regarding the assessment of my strengths, this is more likely not for me, to be objective, I personally did not promise anything to the client, I arranged a conference on skype so that Armen would talk with him. And for my part, I acted as a guarantor for the client, relying on the forum and other circumstances, which is why I’m getting smashed now. Your position is clear to me, but I strongly disagree with her. I believe that clients who contact us expect help from us, and not an assessment of their actions on our part. And if you already agree, then be kind enough to do it honestly and efficiently, that’s why we get the money. Nobody forces us to work with this or that client. This was my personal opinion, which does not apply to this case. On this occasion, this particular client cannot be called a sucker, if someone thinks so. He worked in the criminal investigation department for 25 years and he worked "on the ground" in Tashkent, raised a good and competent son, who now works in the criminal investigation department in Moscow and by the way is not the last person in the MUR, I believe that this is worthy of respect, if not admiration . Who worked in the operational service will understand. Regarding the resolution of the situation, what would you suggest? For my part, I’ll say that I have already resolved the situation with the client. It remains to deal with Armen. In my opinion, as I have said, it will be fair if Armen himself evaluates his false "report" or allows one of the authoritative and respected people to do this, and returns the rest to the client, then that's all on Armen’s conscience. In the case that if the majority will support Armen and will hold your point of view, I think I have no place in this forum. That's all.

 

[Детективное агентство Москва.]

Victor, I didn’t quite understand your post, for the stupid explain please:

At the expense of the left accounts, I do not agree with you. Two days ago, I met on this topic and spoke with a representative of the Ministry of Public Security of China, according to him, in China it is NOT possible to open a bank account or withdraw money from an account without an identity document. Therefore, in his words, a bank account is the only clue to reach out to these scammers, in principle, what he is doing now. I don’t know what the result will be, time will tell.

You're right, but a Chinese account holder doesn’t cost that much.
Not worth how much? What was paid to Armen? (I think that if the owner of the account was indicated in the report, with full data on which the money was transferred under the contract, then this topic would not have been). Not worth the money that was paid under the contract? The amount is sufficient to try to return it, especially for Uzbekistan.

If this is a kidnyak, then you can safely stop the search.
If you have any ideas for searching and opportunities, then why not give it a try? The decision to terminate the search is still made by the customer and Azis (search organizer).

And as for this order, I will say the following:
Only no offense and nothing personal, this is subjectively my opinion.
The conclusion of this contract is an adventure from the very beginning.
What kind of contract? With china? Why? I know a lot of people who work quite successfully with China.
With Armen? But here, because a man who was not from the street, not a Chinese detective, found on the Internet, undertook to help.

If the client insists and still wants to pay the bills, he must initially explain that this is money down the drain!
The result will be 90% zero.
Everything remains the same 10%, and the client’s approach may be slightly different. Maybe it’s not a matter of money, but, in principle, the client needs to find these freaks and punish, and if you manage to return the money (or part of the money), it’s already very good.

If he is still ready to pay, negotiate details, go to the place and try to solve problems with the help of friends, pay for services only by results. The Chinese simply have a short memory, they work on a prepaid basis and here they cut the money and the whole question is closed.
It’s not in vain that our comrades themselves advance there and load containers onto barges.
I agree, probably this would be the best option for conducting searches, but unfortunately it is not always necessary to go along the shortest path.

Tell the customer dearly, the customer is tight!
So he’s a sucker himself, he drove the money, but he was greedy to go on a trip or send someone to talk and control, so they threw it.
I would not draw such conclusions without knowing and not communicating with the client. It turns out that everyone who turns to us is a sucker? We only know the situation from the words of Aziz, and there probably could have been nuances on the basis of which the client (businessman, businessman) made this or that decision.

EXPENSIVE!
He has irretrievably lost 40 pieces and is likely to pay no more than 5-10%, so he incurs losses.
Victor, this is again speculation, and maybe he is ready to give 50% to the one who really helps - we don’t know
So these are his problems, he has already lost everything forever and if he gets back even a little he should be happy ..
So he is trying to solve his problems with the help of Aziz, and as far as I understand they know each other, trust each other and respect each other.

Azis and Armen do not break your spears, resolve the situation and for the future really assess your strengths and capabilities and write the right price tag.
Victor, Aziz did not raise the question of the cost of the order, but of the essence and content of the report. And in this matter, I completely agree with Aziz, if I were to request legal information. the person sent here such a report - I would have accepted the same thing as a scam and mockery.

The client doesn’t like it, let it pass by, your client will come tomorrow.
It is better to sit exactly a month than then two .......... to disentangle.
And what should the customer like? Here is this piece of paper with a seal that was sent to him; it cannot even be called a report.
And let me say that in this case, Aziz is the client for Armen. Victor, tell me bluntly, such a report would suit you, would you go with this piece of paper to answer the customer?

And the last one: Armen, if I had such a situation, and I would understand that I can’t do the work, I would return the money. But I want to note that this is my approach to this issue, it may not coincide with the opinions of others.

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

I agree with Cyril.

 

[Детективное агентство Москва.]

Well, while I was writing my post, Aziz answered Victor, and in essence I completely agree with Aziz.

Saying that the client is a wrong sucker If he were a sucker, he would not be a respectable person and did not manage a large company, suckers as a rule do not know how to make money. I agree that there are suckers among clients, I agree, but these same suckers turn to me, to you, to other people for help. No one forces us to work with them and state the amount of money for our services. But now, I agreed with the person that you will help, I received the money from him in full, and then say that "Sorry friend, you goof, you had to go yourself and control everything." Regarding the assessment of my strengths, this is more likely not for me, to be objective, I personally did not promise anything to the client ...

I believe that clients who contact us expect help from us, and not an assessment of their actions on our part. And if you already agree, then be kind enough to do it honestly and efficiently, that’s why we get the money. Nobody forces us to work with this or that client.

In my opinion, as I have said, it will be fair if Armen himself evaluates his false "report" or allows one of the authoritative and respected people to do this, and returns the rest to the client, then that's all on Armen’s conscience.

 

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Lord detectives! As I understand it, it was for such situations that the MOD Arbitration Court was once created, but now the parties to the dispute are not even members of the association. Maybe it makes sense to resume the work of this body with clear functions “for members of the MOD” and “for other forum participants” so as not to make multi-day “swaras” from specific conflict situations?

I would like to hear the opinion of colleagues ...

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Lord detectives! As I understand it, it was for such situations that the MOD Arbitration Court was once created, but now the parties to the dispute are not even members of the association. Maybe it makes sense to resume the work of this body with clear functions “for members of the MOD” and “for other forum participants” so as not to make multi-day “swaras” from specific conflict situations?

I would like to hear the opinion of colleagues ...

I support this proposal ... However, in order for this court to really "work", it is necessary to clearly regulate its functions ... In addition, it is necessary to provide what powers it can be vested with ... For example, for the PM NP MOD it’s clear ... The court can, for example, make recommendations on resolving the issue of exclusion from the membership of full members ... And what to do about those persons who, as in this case, are not full members of the NP ...