Question about Armenia !!!

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

Lord detectives! As I understand it, it was for such situations that the MOD Arbitration Court was once created, but now the parties to the dispute are not even members of the association. Maybe it makes sense to resume the work of this body with clear functions “for members of the MOD” and “for other forum participants” so as not to make multi-day “swaras” from specific conflict situations?

I would like to hear the opinion of colleagues ...

Interesting offer.
For the work of the Arbitration Court to appeal at least one member of the Forum.

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

I support this proposal ... However, in order for this court to really "work", it is necessary to clearly regulate its functions ... In addition, it is necessary to provide what powers it can be vested with ... For example, for the PM NP MOD it’s clear ... The court can, for example, make recommendations on resolving the issue of exclusion from the membership of full members ... And what to do about those persons who, as in this case, are not full members of the NP ...

The arbitral tribunal may recommend to the Council the exclusion of one of the parties to the dispute from users of the Forum.

 

[Детективное агентство Москва.]

Lord detectives! As I understand it, it was for such situations that the MOD Arbitration Court was once created, but now the parties to the dispute are not even members of the association. Maybe it makes sense to resume the work of this body with clear functions “for members of the MOD” and “for other forum participants” so as not to make multi-day “swaras” from specific conflict situations?

I would like to hear the opinion of colleagues ...

Andrei, indeed, the Arbitration Court could probably figure out this situation, but there are small “buts” (I apologize for the tovtology):
1. We do not have an Arbitration Court - almost all members (including the chairman) resigned, and almost all left the forum.
2. Indeed, there was no appeal from either side to analyze this situation. In my understanding, neither side needs this analysis. Aziz wanted to warn colleagues, and not arrange a debriefing. Armen wants to prove himself that he is right (having promised to submit a full report to the court of colleagues).

In fact, in this topic I do not see any “fuss” - colleagues in a calm and normal form express their opinion, no one offended anyone and did not provoke inadequate posts.
Moreover, the topic is in a closed branch and none of the forum visitors sees it.

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

1. We do not have an Arbitration Court - almost all members (including the chairman) resigned, and almost all left the forum.

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Dmitry!
And at the conference there will be a proposal to elect him Chairman, and he will always be able to get two according to the situation depending on the region.

 

[Детектив-Юг]

In the case that if the majority will support Armen and will hold your point of view, I think I have no place in this forum. That's all.

Azis Sorry if you hit!
I didn’t want to offend anyone, I wrote about it ......
I just laid out my opinion about the orders that are impossible as I think, we can be rude, because we are in a closed branch in the team.

There is no doubt that this question needs to be understood.
I do not know all the intricacies of your relationship, and therefore I cannot judge and blame anyone.
In a similar situation, I would understand that I took the wrong burden, I would return the money and apologize to my colleague and to the client.
I will add that I practically punch through a solution to the issue for almost all contracts and only then finally discuss and put up a price tag.
In our business, the main thing is not to mislead the client, and especially colleagues.

As for China: it’s not so simple, the Chinese could easily slip away from the country, besides, there are simply laws that are not taken into account that were not written, they simply aren’t legally there, I mean the Chinese ......
Crooks and scammers are simply destroyed there and therefore it is almost impossible to find the one you need.

In fact, in this topic I do not see any “fuss” - colleagues in a calm and normal form express their opinion, no one offended anyone and did not provoke inadequate posts.
Moreover, the topic is in a closed branch and none of the forum visitors sees it.

Cyril!
I fully support you.
I didn’t think that my post would raise such a wave, I just have a biased attitude towards the Chinese, although there are many friends there.

Similar questions about conflicts between colleagues and customers arise often enough and they need to be discussed, at least for colleagues to draw conclusions on the mistakes of others.
Well, when the conflict between colleagues and even more so, if they themselves can not resolve.
And Armen needs to thoroughly understand and correctly close the issue in a gentlemanly way.
Aziz pause and for sure Armen will finish the job and provide everything that he promised.
And perhaps you will find crooks together and return to the client the lost, which I wish you ...

 

[Симферополь]

1. We do not have an Arbitration Court - almost all members (including the chairman) resigned, and almost all left the forum.

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Dmitry!
And at the conference there will be a proposal to elect him Chairman, and he will always be able to get two according to the situation depending on the region.

Definitely a worthy candidate! The proposed scheme with the selection of temporary judges (or members of the commission) by region, depending on the situation, in my opinion, has fully justified itself in the process of the last trial. The findings were objective. The only thing is that this objectivity is neither to the nominal initiator (whose further deplorable fate is known) nor to the actual (in whose human qualities many HERE have already been convinced, and many TAMs are diligently trying not to notice), in the end, as we recall, it was simply not needed ...

Specifically, on this topic, I believe that in this story, as well as in similar ones, which sooner or later will arise, some logical point should be put in order not to leave such "hanging in the air" questions on this or that to another forum participant, when everyone considers himself right ... I would like to get complete clarity, and not doubt, about the situation and the “who is who” faces for further work.

If a person deceived, then an appropriate unambiguous assessment should be given to this and the perpetrator should be punished for this! If not, it should be justified! And simply “voicing” a question about a particular forum participant, without further verification and adequate reaction, is equivalent to simply “casting a shadow over the wattle fence”. In the verification, each of the parties to the conflict who wants to defend HIS HONEST NAME should be interested in the first place. Everyone should be aware that it is impossible to act dishonestly with colleagues, because they will be “asked” for this from the team!
It's my opinion.

With respect to the detectives!

 

[Юридическая Компания Лидер]

"Specifically, on this topic, I think that in this story, as well as in similar ones that will arise sooner or later, some logical point should be put in order not to leave such" hanging in the air "questions on the topic or another forum participant, when everyone considers himself right ... I would like to get complete clarity, and not doubts, about the situation and the "who is who" faces for further work.

If a person deceived, then an appropriate unambiguous assessment should be given to this and the perpetrator should be punished for this! If not, it should be justified! And simply “voicing” a question about a particular forum participant, without further verification and adequate reaction, is equivalent to simply “casting a shadow over the wattle fence”. In the verification, each of the parties to the conflict who wants to defend HIS HONEST NAME should be interested in the first place. Everyone should be aware that it is impossible to act dishonestly with colleagues, because they will "ask" for this from the team! "

I fully support Andrey.

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

Dear Colleagues!
Totally agree with Andrei and Vitaly.
There is only one significant “but.”
NP "MOD", in accordance with its CHARTER and the corresponding procedure, has the right to "understand" ONLY with its full members - participants of the Partnership.
Private detectives and their sympathizers - not members of the Partnership - are beyond our competence.
And thank God!
But a precedent with the Conrad YES, namely, as with a participant in the MOD Forum only, was the place to be.
I see no obstacles to repeat the path we have already traveled in this case too.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Dear colleagues))) Of course, all of us are unconditionally for influencing (or reacting) in any way the behavior of a person who unscrupulously fulfills his obligations to the customer ... I think everyone has one opinion on this matter ... However, judge someone or for specific assumptions of dishonesty, it is possible only if there is an algorithm of actions prescribed somewhere (or by someone) that is not followed by a specific person ... For example, if we had a clearly prescribed algorithm for drawing up contracts with the same customers, in which it would be said that the tasks that the contractor should carry out should be clearly spelled out - the question would be clear ... I didn’t fulfill it, then I violated it ... I didn’t reflect the detailed contents of the task, I violated it (especially if it affected on the quality of the assignment) ... And for the violation, specific sanctions ... Until this happens, it is very difficult to unambiguously put an end to the question of establishing the fact of the guilt of a particular person ... We are you don’t know about the actual state of affairs (regarding the issue of Armenians) ... Everything is known only from the words of the “warring” parties, so to speak ... But this is not objective ... Now if there was a document (and the document was properly it wasn’t framed specifically by Armen, indicating a clear assignment) ... It would be possible to draw an objective conclusion about who is wrong in this situation ... This is my personal opinion, not imposed on anyone ... Only objective ...

 

[Евгений СБ]

Andrei, all of you are drawn to the bureaucracy. You can’t write it all down. Yes, this is not a panacea. And no need to go far. Just read the report provided by Armen once again. Just about nothing. No objectivity. To all of us, everything here is clear as God's day. It’s just that I don’t understand why they started to speculate that it is difficult to work with China, etc. etc .. Why not express your opinion directly. What kind of kindergarten? Personally, I immediately concluded for myself that I will never work with Armen. Who wants to, can take a chance.
Andrei M., as a full member of the MOD, I ask you to put to the vote the question of the further presence of Armen on this site.