Competitive Intelligence and the ARD Act. Adapting special methods

[Арсен]

I have a question. And who is this Bederov so that I read everything about him. He writes and writes. Personally, I don't care. If someone has a personal dislike for him, then I just shrug. All this skirmish with Bederov and Yushchuk is a petty affair. Detectives have a lot of their problems. And they need to think how to solve, not clever. And the main problem: there is no demand for our services. This is important !!!!

I fully support !!!!! Dear colleagues, they are biting constantly, instead of sitting at the negotiating table, discussing the existing shortcomings and using the right methods in practice. As for the demand for our services, this is the number 1 problem ....

 

[Андрей Захаров]

What kind of implementation .... what is it all about ... what kind of "work experience" ...)))) .... among the so-called Kyrgyz Republic, in principle, there are no people who know the same horde not by hearsay (from books), but in practice .... With some exceptions, of course .... And even those who know something, in principle, the KR himself does not deal with .... They, ents KRSchiki (and others) are private scouts "), as shown by the practice of communicating with them (especially active, so to speak))), they can’t even determine the time of the start of entrepreneurial activity of a particular entrepreneur, although they have" at hand "all the necessary data .... naively assuming that entrepreneurial activity in Russia began in 2004 ... when they began registration with the relevant tax authorities .... not to mention another .... about the same "methods" of some kind .... So all this "chatter" about the application some methods out there - just chatter ... and nothing more .... People are just scammed)))) Pushing the ignorant to obviously unlawful actions ..... and misleading them ....

I can not agree with this conclusion. Many specialists went into safety, and the methods are quite working.

Robert))) Here, after all, it is not the security services that are covered ... but the issues of the work of the so-called "intelligence agents", who have no direct relation to the Security Council of enterprises, because trying to provide services to other people ... as well as BH .... This needs to be understood exactly ....))))) And to distinguish all these concepts))))

 

[Андрей Захаров]

I have a question. And who is this Bederov so that I read everything about him. He writes and writes. Personally, I don't care. If someone has a personal dislike for him, then I just shrug. All this skirmish with Bederov and Yushchuk is a petty affair. Detectives have a lot of their problems. And they need to think how to solve, not clever. And the main problem: there is no demand for our services. This is important !!!!

Robert))) No personal hostility .... If someone does not like what is stated, it’s the case of each person specifically)))) We are not DOLLARS that everyone would like))))) It's just this opinion ... based on from realities .... without any hostility)))) And about the problems of BH, so what's the matter ... If they have someone, then decide)))) Nobody bothers ... especially that the ways to resolve them are, in principle, known ... and even voiced in the discussion of this topic .... As regards the demand for services .... The question is good, of course .... Just probably you should keep in mind the fact that, in principle, each BH, which has been working for quite a long time, should already have a regular clientele, with which it is advisable to conclude agreements for long-term cooperation ... This is probably our main bread ... And the formation of such regular customers that will give us money and, perhaps they will recommend contacting us specifically for the provision of services, the business of each BH in particular ... And there is nothing you can do ... Now, if look at all the work of BH ... you can immediately say ... If a person is engaged in BH as his main activity and has been “holding” in this market for more than one year, but at least 5-6 years, then he has everything with a “clientele” "okay .... If not, then it depends only on a particular BH, which simply apparently could not" survive "in this market .... the reasons, of course, may be different ... and this was discussed in the discussion ... But probably the main thing is that if the services themselves are high-quality, the customers will not go anywhere .... They will constantly turn around .... If the quality of the services is "suffering", then there can be no question of any customers .. . And then in the spam case "problems" arise ... and in the end the BH "leaves the market" ........ So the most important thing in our work is
then QUALITY ... and there will be QUALITY, there will be no problems with the regular clientele ... Although at the first stage of the "formation" of BH in the market for services, of course it is the ability to "promote" them (your services), which would just build up CONSTANT customers .... Something like that probably .....

 

[Роберт]

About Peter I will say that detectives and security guards are a huge overabundance. As well as lawyers. Moreover, almost everyone is ready for any job, even in violation of the law. There are even specializations. For example, there are lawyers for carrying prohibited items or providing sexual services on a date. That's what an oversupply of specialists does. About detectives. Almost everyone takes up whatever they offer. And the main work is observation. And this is prohibited by law. I had to be in Saratov for several months. Many licenses are not specifically received. Organize LLC for the organization of legal consultations. Cause? And the reason is that the detective as a specialist is not perceived. They recall famous films and do not take them seriously. Personally, my work has always been connected with the recommendation of my friends. Only then did you have to do serious work for serious money. But there are not many such lengthy and lengthy tasks — one or two in a year.

 

[Роберт]

Unfortunately, and probably my natural stupidity, I do not distinguish between scouts and detectives. Well, only by their license.

 

[Роберт]

And the phrase "regular clientele" is not familiar to me at all. None of the oligarchs ever let slip that he used the services of a detective. This is a move-tone. It’s simply no longer respected. Even those who have a serious business, observe such wild conspiracy at meetings that you wonder. They don’t need it either. And the coolest problem is solved in 2-5 months of work. (The result is achieved)

 

[Андрей Захаров]

In addition to the license, there should still be a lot of practical experience)))) And not the experience gained from reading books about work)))) (actually working and knowing about work without working is a big difference)))) That's probably the difference between BH practitioners and “scouts”, who, for the most part, have no such practical experience ... gained while working for the “state” ... which ultimately affects the quality of the provision of any services .... Somehow So ....

 

[Роберт]

I think that it makes no sense to be measured by their professionalism. But discussing the problem is most important. About the site. 2 people a day wander into mine, and then by accident. There are about 500 such sites in St. Petersburg. This does not solve the problem. By the way, you need to understand that a high-quality detective service is very, very expensive. Personally, I have seen few people willing to pay 25,000 a day, or 300,000 at once to solve their problem. And this is not the limit. Well, based on the assumption that everything will be done at a high level and with high quality.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

And the phrase "regular clientele" is not familiar to me at all. None of the oligarchs ever let slip that he used the services of a detective. This is a move-tone. It’s simply no longer respected. Even those who have a serious business, observe such wild conspiracy at meetings that you wonder. They don’t need it either. And the coolest problem is solved in 2-5 months of work. (The result is achieved)

Robert)) If you work with the "Oligarchs" -this is very good .... But in our region with the "Oligarchs" it’s tight ...))))) We’ll get along with some average business))))) Let not many, but constantly)))) and enough for bread)))) And the majority of new customers come precisely on the recommendations of regular customers)))) And in other regions of our immense homeland the same .... In megacities and in another ....))))

 

[Группа К]

I completely agree, Andrey Valerievich.

The option "Acquaintance" is the only way to earn money, which was left to the detective. It is not simple, because it is the most difficult to achieve in terms of marketing. On the other hand, it is the most durable and sustainable way of income from the point of view of the economy. Economists talk about this type of service offer - it’s inelastic, that is, the demand for a detective servant does not depend on whether the detective increases his price or not.

But not everybody works “in acquaintance” with “oligarchs”. One due to the fact that in the market of detective services there are only a day or two. Others, because they don’t know another way to earn money. This is what we are talking about. In the promotion of positive experience "among their own" and the adoption of experience from the Kyrgyz Republic.