Competitive intelligence in the Premier League business

[Андрей Захаров]

Based on the premise that the company received an order to "think" ... I really don’t know how it will be formulated in the contract for the provision of services (some kind of absurdity) ... After which I collected information, this collection of information within such "think" that it’s not real in life ... (in contracts, which, believe me, I’ve composed and seen a lot, I’ve never met such wording in contracts, think and get paid for it: lol: ... Everything turns out to be contrived ... Including the introductory one, it does not correspond to the realities ... At least in terms of the wording of the question posed ...) their actions to collect information are also not legal on the grounds indicated above ... Thus, having analyzed even a part of the question on CR (which is not fixed, even as a legal concept, from the words of Eugene himself) - in terms of the legality of collecting information within the framework of the Kyrgyz Republic only by taking into account certain factors (the use of OKEVD codes by the company), it can be concluded that these actions were carried out by a particular company. ..That we are even before We didn’t get the main thing, the order of collecting the information itself ... However, we will probably leave this question for the next time ... Time and people have come ...

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Based on the postulate that the company received an order to "think" ... I really don’t know how it will be formulated in the contract for the provision of services (some kind of absurdity) ...

What absurdity do you see in this? The consultants are only engaged in the fact that they sell their opinions for money. What is unusual for you?

Then she carried out the collection of information — this collection of information within the framework of such “thinking” that it’s not realistic in life ... (in contracts that, believe me, I’ve composed and seen a lot, I have never met such a wording in contracts, to think and get paid for it: lol:

I believe. Write as you see fit. The situation is normal, everyday: we need a forecast for the market. There is no magic crystal - we begin to collect expert opinions. What unusual have you seen?

... Everything turns out to be contrived ... Including the introductory one, it does not correspond to the realities ... At least in terms of the wording of the question posed ...) their actions to collect information are also not legal on the grounds indicated above ...

I have not yet seen circumstances making forecasts on the development of markets and their elements illegal. As well as links to laws, and binding to statistics codes. It is not entirely clear why, in this case, we wrote several pages.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Do you understand Andrew, what a thing it turns out. If you look objectively.
Forecasts are sold all over the world, including Russia. Not only the weather, but also the development of markets.

At the same time, you can see, for example, this page on a very well-known site of the organization, which obviously has good lawyers:
https://marketing.rbc.ru/research/562949975828007.shtml
Analysis of the state and forecast of the development of the international trucking market

ID (code): 562949975828007
Posted by: Global Market Research
Number of Pages: 284
Report language: Russian
release date: 10/08/2013
Delivery Method: In electronic form
Study Format: PDF
Demo version: Download (pdf)
Cost:
100,000 rub.
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It turns out that one of the two of you is mistaken - either RBC, or you. Personally, it seems to me that you. Although, of course, I could be wrong.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Based on the postulate that the company received an order to "think" ... I really don’t know how it will be formulated in the contract for the provision of services (some kind of absurdity) ...

What absurdity do you see in this? The consultants are only engaged in the fact that they sell their opinions for money. What is unusual for you?

Then she carried out the collection of information — this collection of information within the framework of such “thinking” that it’s not realistic in life ... (in contracts that, believe me, I’ve composed and seen a lot, I have never met such a wording in contracts, to think and get paid for it: lol:

I believe. Write as you see fit. The situation is normal, everyday: we need a forecast for the market. There is no magic crystal - we begin to collect expert opinions. What unusual have you seen?

... Everything turns out to be contrived ... Including the introductory one, it does not correspond to the realities ... At least in terms of the wording of the question posed ...) their actions to collect information are also not legal on the grounds indicated above ...

I have not yet seen circumstances making forecasts on the development of markets and their elements illegal. As well as links to laws, and binding to statistics codes. It is not entirely clear why, in this case, we wrote several pages.

Regarding unusualness, I here express my opinion not as a person, but as a lawyer ... But a lawyer should not rely on "everyday expressions", but on clear formulations of the same agreements ... Regarding the use of OKVED codes and the binding of their application in the norms of laws, Article 14.1 of the Code of Administrative Offenses, Article 171 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (illegal entrepreneurial activity), read it at your leisure ... In addition, as you may have noticed, in this matter we should consider non-abstract examples, possibly contrived, with far-fetched introductory, and specific examples from your practice ...

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Eugene))) Regarding forecasts and everything else ... Nobody claims that their sale is illegal ... The main thing is that their compilation and collection of information for their compilation was carried out in a way regulated by the Law ... And obviously, in the case of - if the company is solid, it will not allow those shortcomings that you mentioned (it just won’t sit and wait for someone to come and check the legality), and therefore it will work legally ... However, this is only the first aspect ... The next aspect -the question of the procedure for obtaining information, consider later ... Now there is simply no time ...

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Regarding unusualness, I here express my opinion not as a person, but as a lawyer ... But a lawyer should not rely on "everyday expressions", but on clear formulations of the same agreements ... Regarding the use of OKVED codes and the binding of their application in the norms of laws, Article 14.1 of the Code of Administrative Offenses, Article 171 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (illegal entrepreneurial activity), read it at your leisure ... In addition, as you may have noticed, in this matter we should consider non-abstract examples, possibly contrived, with far-fetched introductory, and specific examples from your practice ...

So rely, as a lawyer, on putting life into wording. My task as a task director is to say: "We need to do market research. Write the text of the contract." Well, yours is to write this text.
And it is clear that there will be no illegal business here, because the subject of the contract is legal, the activity is not licensed, payment under the contract. no questions at all. Which proves the work of RBC, in particular.

And what’s more interesting: VERY many forecasts and studies are being sold - i.e. Just the opinions of experts of a particular organization:

And pay attention to the section where the arrow is drawn - "Individual marketing research."
There you can just order what exactly you want. For the money, of course.

The words in the contract for an individual study may be different, but the essence of it is something like this: "We believe that you understand this and you can trust your opinion. Please think about what is today and what will happen tomorrow in such and such a situation"

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Eugene))) Regarding forecasts and everything else ... Nobody claims that their sale is illegal ... The main thing is that their compilation and collection of information for their compilation was carried out in a way regulated by the Law ... And obviously, in the case of - if the company is solid, it will not allow those shortcomings that you mentioned (it just won’t sit and wait for someone to come and check the legality), and therefore it will work legally ... However, this is only the first aspect ... The next aspect -the question of the procedure for obtaining information, consider later ... Now there is simply no time ...

And the law, Andrei, does not prohibit anyone from telling their opinions for money, if there is anyone who wants to pay for it.
I will probably end here.
I honestly have neither the time nor the desire to continue to clarify the obvious and verifiable things.

It seems to me that, seeing the example of RBC and VTsIOM, you should have thought: would your ideas about the world be distorted if for some reason they do not correspond to it on such a scale. But I do not insist on it at all.

In general, let us end this meaningless conversation. And then I’m running, for some reason I’m looking for OKVED codes (although you, and not me, are a detective and could take them myself), but to no avail. You don’t even remember about these codes already. I am tired of this. Excuse me.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Thanks Eugene))) Well, let's transfer it to another topic ... For the reasons stated above: lol:

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Dear detectives, you have clearly read the NPV Law in detail. Could you please tell me where in it (or not in it, but in some other Federal Law) the definition of "search" is disclosed? I would like to understand what the legislator understands by this word today.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Dear detectives, and yet - please show me what is "Detection"? By what law is this term deciphered and how?

I will explain the reason for my interest.

The Law of the Russian Federation dated 11.03.1992 N 2487-1 (as amended on 02.07.2013) "On Private Detective and Security Activities in the Russian Federation" contains the following phrase - very important:
"Article 3. Types of security and detective services
Private detective ... activities are carried out for investigation ...
In order to investigate the following types of services are permitted: "(and hereinafter referred to as the list).

So I need to understand - and what exactly is “Search”, "for which" private detective work is carried out and "for the purpose of which" she does what she does.

That I found a private detective not involved in the ARD (in fact, this is already clear by looking to whom the right of the ARD is given, but this is again written in the NPV Law). In my opinion, only one conclusion can be drawn from this fact: not every conversation is an ORM, but, apart from the subjects of the ARD, there are at least private detectives who also talk to people. But detectives talk to people "for search purposes."
In principle, this already implies that conversations can be talked about at the same time not for search purposes, and not for the ARD.

But who is this "Detective"?
I have not seen this yet. I ask for help from the audience.