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[JR Security Consulting Group]

Regarding who chooses whom, my opinion is simple, CLIENT CHOOSES. Because now it is, and not otherwise. Colleagues simply suffer from the lack of orders, our colleagues. But at the same time, there are such clients who pay in three ways, but go to their professional (detective, KR, SB, consult.ag-in). And for this kind of clients, it is absolutely not important that the presence or absence of a license, for one reason, they need a RESULT! And legal formalities are handled by professionals, lawyers and lawyers. Expressed only his opinion.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Regarding who chooses whom, my opinion is simple, CLIENT CHOOSES. Because now it is, and not otherwise. Colleagues simply suffer from the lack of orders, our colleagues.

A detective, like a lawyer or a clerk, can be pulled into a bad story. therefore, rejecting a customer is indeed a frequent occurrence.
But you can refuse only from someone who has already expressed a desire to become a client. Do not run up to passers-by on the street with a cry: "I refuse you!"
Therefore, the first to make a proposal for cooperation (i.e., selects) is probably still the client. After that, the detective either agrees or refuses (his choice is his second choice).

But at the same time, there are such clients who pay in three ways, but go to their professional (detective, KR, SB, consult.ag-in). And for this kind of clients, it is absolutely not important that the presence or absence of a license, for one reason, they need a RESULT! And legal formalities are handled by professionals, lawyers and lawyers.

Yes it's true. The reason is that many questions are priceless, and leaking information on them is dangerous. Moreover, with prolonged work, the specialist begins to thoroughly know all the nuances and weaknesses in the client’s position. If he does not know them, he will not prepare the lines of defense, and they often need to be prepared in advance.
therefore, in this case, a fee for two things: for a guaranteed result (well, or a guarantee that everything possible was done to achieve it), and for "admission", so to speak.

 

[JR Security Consulting Group]

Regarding who chooses whom, my opinion is simple, CLIENT CHOOSES. Because now it is, and not otherwise. Colleagues simply suffer from the lack of orders, our colleagues.

A detective, like a lawyer or a clerk, can be pulled into a bad story. therefore, rejecting a customer is indeed a frequent occurrence.
But you can refuse only from someone who has already expressed a desire to become a client. Do not run up to passers-by on the street with a cry: "I refuse you!"
Therefore, the first to make a proposal for cooperation (i.e., selects) is probably still the client. After that, the detective either agrees or refuses (his choice is his second choice).

But at the same time, there are such clients who pay in three ways, but go to their professional (detective, KR, SB, consult.ag-in). And for this kind of clients, it is absolutely not important that the presence or absence of a license, for one reason, they need a RESULT! And legal formalities are handled by professionals, lawyers and lawyers.

Yes it's true. The reason is that many questions are priceless, and leaking information on them is dangerous. Moreover, with prolonged work, the specialist begins to thoroughly know all the nuances and weaknesses in the client’s position. If he does not know them, he will not prepare the lines of defense, and they often need to be prepared in advance.
therefore, in this case, a fee for two things: for a guaranteed result (well, or a guarantee that everything possible was done to achieve it), and for "admission", so to speak. [/ quot]

I agree.

 

[JR Security Consulting Group]

I asked a question on the air, outside this forum:

Question to those who are familiar with the activities of a private detective.

Please tell us what kind of work, as a rule, are ordered to private detectives in practice?

I’m just curious to understand what it makes sense to contact them in general, in view of the fact that they have real experience in such matters.

If one of the lawyers can tell whether there is a need for a lawyer to turn to the services of a private detective, and why is also interesting.

I’ll tell you about the results.

I myself became interested. Will wait.

 

[Детектив-Юг]

[But authority has been gained over the years.

This is undeniable.
If in the refined, carefully sifted KGB there were scoundrels, thieves and traitors - what can we say about a much less carefully filtered environment from which detectives come out.
Any pastoral on the topic of ideal people is perceived as sticky. Because it is.

Well, if you talk like that, then everything is fine.
It is possible for someone who is not, because it is also illegal in the Kyrgyz Republic, because there is no law on it, and therefore it is in the law.
Quietly conclude virtual agreements with no one about anything and that also does not exist, the main thing is that the normal client gets caught, understanding.
Provide reports on and at the same time nothing, relatively nothing. It’s calm to receive a fee and retire to nowhere, because the work of scouts is dangerous and difficult, because of this everything is on ciphers and nothing.
All the same, there is nothing about anything due to the fact that nothing subsequently merges with anything, it is impossible to ask anything.
Because nothing neither legal nor illegal was observed and did not happen due to the absence of a law within the framework of the law that does not exist ..

It all reminds me of one place where I had foolishly visited, such as talking with the gods, nothing, but in the end, everyone still remains with their opinion, but not friends anymore.

To participate in further discussion of this topic, for myself, I see no reason.

 

[Роберт]

There are still certain difficulties with the clients themselves, who have mental deviations in remission.
These are read by K. Doylov, they have seen enough moronic films about private detectives (now there is such a series, which idiots invented it and removed I have no idea) and begin to powder their brains: D. From the desire to become an assistant, to inventing all kinds of nonsense.
Therefore, the detective first always checks the client himself, then checks the authenticity of the circumstances stated by the client, and must determine the motive for contacting him.
After all: D
You can find a person to bring him to justice, but you can find and then kill, rob, blackmail, etc.
And the detective can be easily attracted as an accomplice, and a squeak at the interrogation and in court that he was simply hired will only cause law enforcement fun.
That's why we are interested in your methods. This is a guarantee not to go to jail, like chickens in the gutter: D
The criminal code has an article about private investigators, therefore, somewhere a “sticks” plan is already being drawn up for this article. And somewhere at the meetings they are already demanding results from the police on this article.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Well, if you talk like that, then everything is fine.
It is possible for someone who is not, because it is also illegal in the Kyrgyz Republic, because there is no law on it, and therefore it is in the law.

There is no separate law for the vast majority of activities. But just a separate one. The Civil Code is a thick book and is one of the basic laws. Criminal, by the way, too. Therefore, talking about the absence of laws is incorrect in principle.

Quietly conclude virtual agreements with no one about anything and that also does not exist, the main thing is that the normal client gets caught, understanding.
Provide reports on and at the same time nothing, relatively nothing. It’s calm to receive a fee and retire to nowhere, because the work of scouts is dangerous and difficult, because of this everything is on ciphers and nothing.
All the same, there is nothing about anything due to the fact that nothing subsequently merges with anything, it is impossible to ask anything.
Because nothing neither legal nor illegal was observed and did not happen due to the absence of a law within the framework of the law that does not exist ..
It all reminds me of one place where I had foolishly visited, such as talking with the gods, nothing, but in the end, everyone still remains with their opinion, but not friends anymore.

And this tirade of yours reminds me of the words of a dzhevochnik in a math exam - when there is a set of words, but there is no sense in them.
Because, unlike you, banks, large companies and the leaders of large companies understand perfectly what they need and what they don’t need. and they’ll never conclude an agreement on anything because they know how to count money.
And they know that the forecast of market development is a very useful thing, because it saves money. Naturally, when the forecast comes true.
And they understand that if the raider attack is not repulsed, the enterprise will be demolished, and the owner will have serious problems.
And if you call, you will shrug. and if a specialist - he will beat off the attack. You still, I think, will not understand what I mean - so do not bother about this. Go to the zoo.

And with what detectives do, I’ll figure it out without you. As promised - the report will be. There is already a lot of useful information, it needs to be systematized - and you can show

To participate in further discussion of this topic, for myself, I see no reason.

It also seems to me that this is not a topic of your level. Glad we understand this the same way.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

There are still certain difficulties with the clients themselves, who have mental deviations in remission.
These are read by K. Doylov, they have seen enough moronic films about private detectives (now there is such a series, which idiots invented it and removed I have no idea) and begin to powder their brains: D. From the desire to become an assistant, to inventing all kinds of nonsense.
Therefore, the detective first always checks the client himself, then checks the authenticity of the circumstances stated by the client, and must determine the motive for contacting him.
After all: D
You can find a person to bring him to justice, but you can find and then kill, rob, blackmail, etc.
And the detective can be easily attracted as an accomplice, and a squeak at the interrogation and in court that he was simply hired will only cause law enforcement fun.
That's why we are interested in your methods. This is a guarantee not to go to jail, like chickens in the gutter: D
The criminal code has an article about private investigators, therefore, somewhere a “sticks” plan is already being drawn up for this article. And somewhere at the meetings they are already demanding results from the police on this article.

Thank!

And what kind of article about private detectives in the Criminal Code?

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

I believe it makes sense to remind the participants in this conversation the very beginning of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation. Indeed, this is useful for some participants who like to talk about the need for a separate law to regulate everything and everything. And also to those of them who are perplexed - how to conclude agreements outside the limits of, apparently, the training manual that they have in the computer,.

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Article 1. The main principles of civil law

1. Civil law is based on recognition equality of participants in relations regulated by him property immunity freedom of contract , the inadmissibility of arbitrary interference by anyone in private affairs, the need for the unhindered exercise of civil rights, ensuring the restoration of violated rights, and their judicial protection.

2. Citizens (individuals) and legal entities acquire and exercise their civil rights with their will and in their interest. They are free to establish their rights and obligations on the basis of the contract and to determine any terms of the contract that do not contradict the law.

Civil rights may be restricted on the basis of federal law and only to the extent necessary to protect the foundations of the constitutional order, morality, health, rights and legitimate interests of others, to ensure the defense of the country and the security of the state.

3. Goods services and financial resources move freely throughout the Russian Federation .
Restrictions on the movement of goods and services may be introduced in accordance with federal law, if necessary to ensure safety, protect human life and health, protect nature and cultural property.


Article 2. Relations governed by civil law

1. Civil law determines the legal status of participants in a civil turnover, the grounds for occurrence and the procedure for exercising property rights and other property rights, exclusive rights to the results of intellectual activity (intellectual property), regulates contractual and other obligations , as well as other property and related personal non-property relations based on equality, autonomy of will and property independence of their participants.
Participants in relations regulated by civil law are citizens and legal entities. The Russian Federation, subjects of the Russian Federation and municipalities may also participate in relations regulated by civil law (Article 124 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation).
Civil law governs the relationship between entrepreneurs or with their participation based on the fact that entrepreneurial activity is independent, carried out at your own risk, aimed at the systematic receipt of profits from the use of property, sale of goods, performance of work or the provision of services by persons registered in this capacity in the manner prescribed by law.
The rules established by civil law apply to relations involving foreign citizens, stateless persons and foreign legal entities, unless otherwise provided by federal law.



Article 3. Civil law and other acts containing civil law

1. In accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation, civil law is administered by the Russian Federation.

2. Civil law consists of this Code and other federal laws (hereinafter referred to as laws) adopted in accordance with it that regulate the relations referred to in paragraphs 1 and 2 of Article 2 of this Code.
The rules of civil law contained in other laws must comply with this Code.

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I hope that dear participants who were still not up to date, have familiarized themselves with this normative act and will no longer repeat the mantras about the alleged "absence of the law" when it comes to entrepreneurial activity.

 

[Роберт]

Article 203 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Excess of authority by employees of private security or detective services." Comments

1. Exceeding by the head or employee of a private security or detective service of the powers granted to him in accordance with the license, contrary to the objectives of his activity, if this act was committed with the use of violence or with the threat of its use, shall be punishable by restriction of liberty for a term of up to three years, or by arrest for up to six months, or imprisonment for up to five years with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for up to three years or without it.

2. The same act, entailing grave consequences, shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of up to seven years with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years.

Commentary on Article 203 of the Criminal Code:

1. Private detective and security activity is the provision of services to citizens and legal entities on a paid contractual basis by enterprises that have a special permit (license) in order to protect the legitimate rights and interests of their customers (Article 1 of the Law on Private Detective and Security Activities in Russian Federation").

Licenses for this activity are issued by the internal affairs bodies after the citizen has submitted the relevant documents (Articles 6, 11, 12 of the Law “On Private Detective and Security Activities in the Russian Federation”).

2. The objective side of the act provided for in Article. 203 of the Criminal Code, consists of:

1) in excess by private detectives and security guards of the powers granted to them in accordance with the license. Examples of such excess are:

- concealment from law enforcement bodies of facts about impending or committed crimes;

- impersonating law enforcement officers;

- collection of information related to personal life, political and religious beliefs of individual citizens;

- video and audio recording, photo and film shooting in the premises without the consent of citizens and officials;

- the commission of actions that endanger the life, health, honor, dignity, property of citizens;

- falsification of materials and misrepresentation of the client;

- disclosure of the information collected, its use contrary to the interests of the client or in the interests of third parties;

- violation of confidentiality of correspondence, telephone conversations, etc. (Article 7 of the Law "On Private Detective and Security Activities in the Russian Federation");

2) in the implementation of private detective or security activities contrary to its tasks. The objectives of private detective or security activities are:

- collection of information on civil cases under contracts with customers - participants in the process;

- market research, collecting information for business negotiations, identifying insolvent or unreliable business partners;

- establishing the circumstances of the unlawful use of trademarks, service marks, company names, unfair competition, disclosure of information constituting a trade secret;

- Search for missing citizens, search for lost documents, property;

- collection of information on criminal cases in the prescribed manner;

- protection of life and property of citizens;

- customer property protection;

- design, installation and maintenance of security and fire alarms, etc. (Article 3 of the Law "On Private Detective and Security Activities in the Russian Federation");

3) in that the said act is committed with the use of:

- violence (i.e., beating the victim, torturing him, causing him pain, destruction of his property, etc.);

- threats of violence (i.e. promises to kill the victim or his loved ones, harm their health, destroy property, etc.).

3. The subjective side of the analyzed act is characterized by direct intent, ie the guilty person realizes that he is committing socially dangerous acts, exceeding his authority, anticipates the possibility or inevitability of an offensive for victims of socially dangerous consequences, and wishes them to happen (part 2 of article 25 of the Criminal Code).

The subjects of this crime are sane individuals who have reached 18 years of age (and in the course of detective work - 21 years), performing the functions of private detectives or employees of security organizations.

4. In h. 2 Article 203 of the Criminal Code indicates the qualifying circumstance of this act: the onset of grave consequences. They, in particular, can be the death of a citizen, causing him bodily harm, the destruction of his property. In all these cases, the perpetrator must be held accountable under Art. 203 of the Criminal Code and in the aggregate - according to that article of the Criminal Code, which provides for a particular act (for example, for murder (Articles 105-109 of the Criminal Code), for causing grievous bodily harm (Article 111 of the Criminal Code).

It must be borne in mind that if the act provided for in Art. 203 of the Criminal Code, caused harm exclusively to the interests of commercial organizations, the criminal prosecution is carried out at the request of such organizations or with their consent (note 2 of article 201 of the Criminal Code).

5. The act provided for in Article 203 of the Criminal Code, refers to moderate crimes (part 3 of article 15 of the Criminal Code).