Competitive intelligence in the Premier League business

[Детективное агентство. Мангуст. Уфа.]

You screen out 80% of potential orders, I'm in the region of 20-30%. At the same time, I work if I see that a person is not a bandit, not a swindler, but a normal person who has fallen into a difficult situation. I seek to help him, despite the Law, while naturally, trying to calculate the consequences of my help from different angles ...

Clear. But I’m not working despite the law. But everyone chooses his own path and consequences.

But, pay attention to an interesting fact: Competitive intelligence, as a phenomenon, cannot violate the law. A man, of course, has the technical ability to do this, but if the Criminal Code is violated, a competitive intelligence specialist becomes a criminal - an industrial spy.
My question is: who in this case - when the law is violated in the work - becomes a Private Detective?

He remains a Private Detective. Unfortunately, this is the law, so far it is impossible for us to work absolutely within the legal framework, as the authorities are afraid to give us opportunities for work, you never know what the detective is holding up to the authorities ... But he becomes a criminal only after a court decision, if he gets caught, and part 3 of article is acting before the court. 14 Code of Criminal Procedure "presumption of innocence."

NOW SPECIFICALLY I CAN ALREADY GENERALIZE EVERYTHING SPOKEN IN THIS TOPIC: DO NOT LIGHT AND DO NOT EXTEND YOURSELF !!! AND IF THE TRUTH IS TALKED, ANYONE PERSONALIZING ON THIS TOPIC A SPECIALIST MAY BE SUBMITTED UNDER THE APPROPRIATE ARTICLE OF THE CRIMINAL CODE AND AS IT WOULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED !!!

I absolutely agree with Vladimir. It’s just that there was no order for the professor ...

 

[Андрей Захаров]

You screen out 80% of potential orders, I'm in the region of 20-30%. At the same time, I work if I see that a person is not a bandit, not a swindler, but a normal person who has fallen into a difficult situation. I seek to help him, despite the Law, while naturally, trying to calculate the consequences of my help from different angles ...

Clear. But I’m not working despite the law. But everyone chooses his own path and consequences.

But, pay attention to an interesting fact: Competitive intelligence, as a phenomenon, cannot violate the law. A man, of course, has the technical ability to do this, but if the Criminal Code is violated, a competitive intelligence specialist becomes a criminal - an industrial spy.
My question is: who in this case - when the law is violated in the work - becomes a Private Detective?

Eugene))) in the Laws there is no such thing as a “specialist in competitive intelligence”, just as there is no concept in the laws of the KR ... The laws also do not have the concept of industrial espionage ... And any person who violates a criminal the criminal law (the person who has broken the law) And his official status-BH, or KR-does not matter ... And about the fact that "KR, as a phenomenon, can not break the law," I will say the following- "BHD, as the activity permitted by the state and regulated by a special Law also cannot violate the law "... So what then is the conversation about ...
And about the thoughts set out in the context of “you need to be able to circumvent the Law” and at the same time focus on the fact that someone must prove the wrongfulness of specific actions on the issues “I do not conduct“ visual observation ”, but just stand and watch, I do not I’m talking “I’m speaking,” you can say the following. You need to understand that the person who carries out these actions for any violates the Law and this person must be aware of this ... Regardless of whether the violation of the Law is proved by the relevant authorities or not ... So, it is not necessary to cunning in these matters (personal opinion) ... Here, either you violate the Law or not ... And that’s all ... And the question of proof is a completely different topic ...
And regarding the execution of the "order" described in this discussion, there is a completely legal, so to speak, methodology, its execution and data, the order may well be executed by the NPV person who has sufficient experience as a "personal detective", so to speak .. . But this topic can only be discussed in the closed section of the NP ....

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Eugene))) in the Laws there is no such thing as a “specialist in competitive intelligence”, just as there is no concept in the laws of the KR ... The laws also do not have the concept of industrial espionage ... And any person who violates a criminal the criminal law (the person who has broken the law) And his official status-BH, or KR-does not matter ... And about the fact that "KR, as a phenomenon, can not break the law," I will say the following- "BHD, as the activity permitted by the state and regulated by a special Law also cannot violate the law "... So what then is the conversation about ...

Talk about my conversation with the Private Investigator, above. I was surprised: there is a detective, there are also violations of the law in his work. So I asked. But you explained quite clearly. Thank.

And about the thoughts set out in the context of "you need to be able to circumvent the Law"

Excuse me, whose thoughts are these?
Personally, I talked about the fact that we must fit into the framework of the law, and not bypass it at all.

and at the same time focus on the fact that someone must prove the wrongfulness of specific actions on the issues of "I do not conduct a" visual observation ", but just stand and watch, I do not conduct an" oral survey ", but I’m talking, we can say the following.

Wait ... What does it mean "someone must prove the wrongfulness of specific actions"? In the criminal process there is a specific side to the prosecution. And there is a presumption of innocence. And there are specific articles. Where do you see the uncertainty?

It must be understood that the person who carries out these actions for any violates the Law and this person must be aware of this fact ...

Did not understand you. If you personally think that looking around is a violation of the law, why should I suddenly realize this is your purely personal opinion? This is your opinion - here you are and be aware of it as much as you want. And I just look around, as I do from birth.
Let’s not impose your point of view despite the fact that you still couldn’t fit it into the framework of the criminal process. And even administrative.

And regarding the execution of the "order" described in this discussion, there is a completely legal, so to speak, methodology, its execution and data, the order may well be executed by the NPV person who has sufficient experience as a "personal detective", so to speak .. . But this topic can only be discussed in the closed section of the NP ....

Methods can be found quite a lot of different. The range of choice depends on the specialist - including his habits and background.

The foregoing in this section on a specific hypothetical task is absolutely realistic and does not violate the Criminal Code. If I were the director of the enterprise, to which employees would argue over this example, I would have told them long ago: “Enough 3.14, get out of your chair and go, make at least half of what is already written here. You don’t even have to do the second because there will already be a result. " And he really will be.

Well, I would like to note that completely legal methods do not require them to be stated in closed sections, precisely because they are completely legal.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Eugene))) Regarding the "look" and not the "visual observation" ... If you look and get information as a result for yourself, it’s one thing ... And when you "look" and get information on the order of a specific person , for a fee (so to speak, as part of the provision of services to any person for the collection of information), is a completely different matter, because in this case, agreements are fulfilled on the collection of information between the person who ordered the collection of information and the person collecting it ... Regarding the justification for the violation of the Law, everything is justified in the actions of such a person who carries out any actions (visual observation, by the way, the term from Of the Law on the BH and OD of the Russian Federation, an external examination, also from there, an oral questioning) for remuneration, in favor of another person, this is already a violation for which administrative liability is provided for in accordance with Article 20.16 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation (this is the minimum). Thus , the person who carries out such actions is a violator of the law ... Unlike the licensed BH, which carries out these measures in accordance with the Law, without violating it and without seeking any reason to argue, I just stand and look, and not "I carry out visual observation" ... Something like this ... Regarding discussions of various topics, some topics are discussed in closed sections, only for PM NP MOD (for persons involved in NPV) ... And there is nothing t which ... Become a full member of the NP and take part in discussions ... At the same time, only legitimate topics are discussed in the closed sections, which are just specific for the NPV (in terms of purely professional training) ...
Eugene, and here's another question, do you use the really existing Mystery Shopper program in your activity? The possible scope of the information obtained as a result of the implementation of this program is simply interesting.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Eugene))) Regarding the "look" and not the "visual observation" ... If you look and get information as a result for yourself, it’s one thing ... And when you "look" and get information on the order of a specific person , for a fee (so to speak, as part of the provision of services to any person for the collection of information), is a completely different matter, because in this case, agreements are fulfilled on the collection of information between the person who ordered the collection of information and the person collecting it ...

I myself am sometimes unable to determine whether I am doing this for myself or as part of something. Moreover, it is impossible to determine for other people. This is the first. Secondly, being in a public place is not at all the same as being in the bedroom under the bed.
That is why the Law reflects such moments as measures taken to protect information.
Please do not have fantasies on topics about public places. That's why they are public, that being there is possible. You can watch. Talking is also possible.
This can be done even in countries where there is a separate law on industrial espionage.

Regarding the validity of the violation of the Law, everything is justified precisely in the actions of such a person who carries out any actions (visual observation, by the way, the term from the Law on the BH and OD of the Russian Federation, external inspection, also from there, oral questioning) for a fee, in favor of another persons- this is already a violation for which administrative liability is provided for in accordance with Article 20.16 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation (this is the minimum) .Thus, a person who carries out such actions is a violator of the law ... Something like this ... Regarding discussions of various however, some topics are discussed in closed sections, only for the PM NP MOD (for those involved in NPV) ... And this is nothing ... Become a full member of the NP and take part in discussions ... At the same time, in closed sections discuss only legitimate topics that simply have specifics specifically for NPV (in terms of purely professional training) ...

Listen, the BH Law is written for BH. So let them do it. This is exactly the same situation as an attempt to state that a person who is talking about the topic of business in a public place is involved in ORM. Not involved. Like BH, he does not deal with ORM, talking - because he is not a subject of ORM.
And in the same way, Eldar Murtazin, who watches and talks, and then publishes an article on Mobile-Review, does not conduct any surveillance at the mobile phone exhibition. He does his own thing. And he doesn’t give a damn what it is called in the law on the horde or in the law on the NPV, or in the Charter of the Mumbu-Yumbu tribe, because he has nothing to do with either one or the other or the third.

That's all. The rest is your speculation.

And we are not repeating it for the first time. I said earlier: you think you're right - go that court. Get there a certificate from the state that you are mistaken and the question will be closed.

But what kind of problems? Are you sure you are right? Do you want to get a lot of money? Run into VTsIOM in court. They will write about you in newspapers and if you prove in court that VTsIOM is engaged in NPV without a private detective license, you will become famous throughout the country. After that, customers will definitely reach you. Write a lawsuit, file and prove your point of view in court, not on the forum. There are no obstacles for this.
But you won’t do it. And you won’t do so because you have a lot of work (the fame and money that will come to you with it if successful will be immeasurably more than you earn now). You will not do this because you are not shining in court for anything. I dictate the letter: "Nikolai, Igor, Khariton, Ulyana, Jacob" (c) And you know that.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

What courts Eugene))) What glory))) The conversation is not about that ... I am a modest person, just working and having my own point of view (justified) and that's all ... This topic has been brought up for discussion (namely at the Forum) in order so that the differences between the activities established by the Law and the activities of other organizations would be understood ... Moreover, the topic is discussed in a more or less narrow circle ... Look at the composition of the participants in the discussion .... I do not understand your reaction ...: (Especially related to this last sentence: lol .... It’s strange all this ... And it’s not good to react like that ...

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

What courts Eugene))) What glory))) The conversation is not about that ... I am a modest person, just working and having my own point of view (reasonable) and that's all ... This topic has been brought up for discussion in order to be understood differences between the activities established by law and the activities of other organizations ... Moreover, the topic is discussed in a more or less narrow circle ... Look at the composition of the participants in the discussion .... I do not understand your reaction ...

about the point of view have already been discussed, yeah. Do you have it - well, there is. Your right. I don’t consider it justified; on the contrary, you are not a problem.

But about modesty ... I correctly understood that Private Detective is an individual entrepreneur? If so, then his business is to generate income. So, a court with VTsIOM is a guaranteed way to increase income, moreover, as part of the core business. True if it is successful.

Well, about the narrow circle. The “kitchen syndrome”, which was already mentioned here, consists precisely in the fact that a person who communicates to the whole world and on a note believes that he communicates in a close circle. Not a tight circle here. Open communication is, in fact.

About the reaction - I did not understand. I really, without jokes, show you a way to make money, and at the same time restore law (as you, at least). In this case, however, I am sure that you will lose. But you are convinced of the opposite. What could be better for an individual entrepreneur, how to increase the profitability of your business tenfold, moreover, legally?

 

[Андрей Захаров]

In my opinion, you don’t need to teach other people how to work, tell them the ways of some decisions (especially since these people do not need any advice, especially not quite right (from the point of view of jurisprudence) -about going to some court , on some issues, especially to VTsIOM OJSC, which personally did not violate my rights, in connection with which there are no grounds for going to court ... Something absurd ...) ... In addition, honestly, it was thought that the method of communication of people involved in the Kyrgyz Republic is a little different ... However, everything falls into place ... You need to be able to communicate ... Or at least learn this ... Something like that ...

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Clear.
In general, conversations about tone usually begin when the arguments are over. But there are probably exceptions.
OK. Finish the discussion of the issue. I didn’t assume that an individual entrepreneur could be disappointed with the offer to get rich legally, but he certainly didn’t plan to upset you. So it's not a problem - I may not offer such options.

 

[Бедеров Игорь Сергеевич]

I think that when the MOD reaches the highest level, the question of the level of communication will become ...