Theme for discussion ...

[Андрей Захаров]

I don’t know what they want .... They probably want to create an SRO with standards that are not personally known to me .... What would then collect “money” from those who want to work according to some unknown standards of “providing private investigation services”. ... And they wish (having shown their personal initiative, which is also emanating from private security companies) to submit to the State Duma a bill stating that all BHs are in SROs .... At least I personally understood from publications on this topic of discussion .. ... Although I consider this "idea" utopian "..... Due to the fact that SROs without standards are precisely the procedure for the provision of services, not SROs .... And to develop some sort of" standards for the provision of particular private investigation services "(not of the order the design of these services, namely the provision of the services themselves, which is necessary for an SRO) is not realistic .... For various objective reasons .... We don’t “sew slippers” .... But we provide specific services, which in principle it is not possible to standardize .... Another thing is the methodological recommendations .... but these are not the standards necessary specifically for the SRO ... and besides this, the methodological recommendations and (of course, real ones, and not “invented ones”) can only be practices that have worked in this field really .... for quite some time ... and not by hearsay, but from practical experience who know what anyone needs .. .A such people as part of the initiators of these initiatives, in principle, are not observed ..... Especially those who will write them for the drama)))))))

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

Are lawyers or doctors currently in the SRO?
For notaries, this is probably possible ...

 

[Роберт]

Yeah interesting. In the law on cdd, everything is very clearly written. Now it remains to develop and approve sample documents, which should guide the detective. Type of contract, certificate of acceptance of work performed, documents received by the detective when working under the contract. Well, samples of documents needed to be submitted to the investigator or to the court. Type of protocols, etc.: D

 

[Андрей Захаров]

No ... lawyers, doctors, notaries in SROs are not members .....)))))))))) There are other forms .... Lawyer chamber, notary chamber ... for doctors, in my opinion nothing invented .... these are state people for the most part ... except of course private practitioners ..... (self-employed population)))))) And for SRO ... there is one general law ... and more several laws on industrial SROs .... but there are only those where it is possible to create "standards for the production of work or the provision of services" .....

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Yeah interesting. In the law on cdd, everything is very clearly written. Now it remains to develop and approve sample documents, which should guide the detective. Type of contract, certificate of acceptance of work performed, documents received by the detective when working under the contract. Well, samples of documents needed to be submitted to the investigator or to the court. Type of protocols, etc.: D

So these are not the standards of "rendering services" .... it simply may be guidelines "on the design of services already rendered" ... But how to provide a service and how to make it out is "two big differences")))))))

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

As practice shows, from conceived to implemented - a huge distance if the President or the Government are not interested in the matter.
It seems to me that they have completely different priorities now ...
Therefore, gentlemen, private detectives, you can relax.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Here is an example of a training manual .... but these are not standards .... these are just recommendations .... how to most efficiently fulfill an order in a specific direction (as an example) ...... And this is not for SRO. ....
RECOMMENDATIONS
on the organization of work-search for possible eyewitnesses to an accident (city)
These recommendations are based on our own experience in
similar cases and are possible for use in organizing search work
possible eyewitnesses in an accident, as a result of which only
property damage to vehicle owners, as well as in case of arousal
administrative investigation into the occurrence of harm to health. In the case of
initiation of a criminal case upon road accident obligation to establish possible
eyewitnesses of the incident is fully entrusted to law enforcement officers
organs and eyewitness searches in this scheme can be carried out by BH only when
compliance with the formalities associated with the participation of BH in the collection of information on criminal
affairs.
When organizing work to identify possible eyewitnesses to an accident committed in
city (for example, a city with a population of about 300 thousand people) is possible
carrying out the following events.
The work can be divided into several stages:
preparatory, direct search, receipt of information from the source upon
Accident.
Before you begin the search for possible eyewitnesses to an accident committed in urban
conditions it is necessary to determine from what sources it is possible to obtain information about
Accident (moment of collision of a vehicle with a pedestrian, or with another
vehicle). Such sources of information may include:
1. a person who at the time of the accident was in close proximity
from the place of collision. Such persons may be:
1.1.participants in road traffic - drivers of vehicles
1.2.participants of the road - passengers of vehicles
1.3. Pedestrians
1.4.Not road users who were in close proximity
proximity to the scene of an accident.
Such persons may be:
1.4.1. Random passers-by passing the scene of an accident.
1.4.2.workers located near the accident scene of various organizations
1.4.3.Visitors of the organizations indicated in clause 1.4.2.
1.4.4.residents of houses located near the scene of an accident
2. means of fixation (photo, video) shooting located in close proximity
from the scene of an accident. Such means may include:
- CCTV cameras installed on various buildings, light poles, etc.
- DVRs installed on vehicles of participants
movements
-photo, video cameras (including those installed in cellular
phones) used by non-road users who accidentally
recorded the time of the accident.
Having determined the circle of sources of possible information about the accident, it is necessary to determine
ways to establish these sources, for which it is possible to carry out the following
events.
1. Activities for the passive search of sources:
1.1. Find out the availability of information about the search for possible
eyewitnesses to traffic accidents in the media, on specialized sites, pages on social networks
cities, for which to set the coordinates of these sites or pages in social
networks. This may be specialized sites for road users
movements, pages on social networks (Vkontakte, Odnoklassniki), where it is hosted
information about the actions of the traffic police of the city, road users
movement, discusses the acquisition or sale of vehicles.
1.2. Find out the possibility of posting information on the search for eyewitnesses by
posting relevant announcements in the area of the accident.
Post relevant eyewitness search information on resources indicated
higher.
Before placing such announcements, it is advisable when concluding an agreement on
the provision of services of BH on the search for eyewitnesses, to stipulate in the contract with
the customer the amount of remuneration for potential witnesses to an accident, while indicating
additional reward for providing a video recording of the moment
collisions in an accident. Compensation information must be indicated in
announcements.
When placing such ads, it is possible to establish eyewitnesses to an accident, as
road users and persons who were not at the time
of an accident.
1.3.Monitoring the Internet for possible placement of video recordings about
Interesiruyuschih accident with various persons, turned out to be his eyewitnesses.
establishing such a fact, it is necessary to take measures to establish communication with
initiator of the placement of such a video for the purpose of its possible survey, as well as
receive video recording.
2. Activities for the active search for sources:
2.1. It is necessary to determine the "circle" of vehicles following in the city by
certain routes, including those that run in the immediate
proximity to the scene of the accident. These tools may be:
trolleybuses
public buses
- "express" transport buses
minibuses
-taxis engaged in the carriage of passengers and having a centralized system
vehicle accounting (officially registered taxi fleets)
- Taxis that do not work in a central accounting system, whose drivers
conclude agreements with dispatch services for the provision of transportation services
passengers provided by dispatch services by transferring orders from
using radio communications.
-Taxis working without the use of dispatch services.
2.2. Establish which of the above service providers
passenger transportation uses the Glonas centralized tracking system to
what would be obtained by polling or inquiry from these organizations
information on the possible location of vehicles belonging to these
organizations (usually it’s public transport organization
transport buses, trolley buses, express buses, route
taxis, taxis owned by taxi companies), at a specific time, at a specific place
(near the scene of the accident). Having received such information, it is possible to determine
specific drivers of these organizations, which at the time of the accident
may have been in close proximity to the scene of the accident and could have been
eyewitnesses. In practice, information obtained as a result of using the system
"Glonas" are stored in organizations for a sufficiently long time, at least a week, in
in connection with which there is a real possibility of using the information stored there
on the movement of vehicles at a certain time and in a certain place.
To facilitate the search for possible vehicles traveling on
it is possible to use a certain route and using the Glonas system
an interactive map of the movement of vehicles, which in some cities, in
including ours can be found on the sites of the city administration and city
transport control. On this map you can determine which routes and
which vehicles pass near the scene of an accident.
routes will allow to specify questions during surveys and inquiries.
2.3. Establish taxi ranks that do not use dispatching services
services, with the aim of a possible survey of drivers to identify potential
eyewitnesses interesiruyuschego accident.
2.3.1. Establish public parking lots for the purpose of organization
a possible survey of drivers to identify possible eyewitnesses to an accident.
2.4. Use your own information in the search organization for
persons working in a taxi, as well as using personal transport, which, during
polls can provide information about possible eyewitnesses of an interfering accident.
2.5. Carry out an external inspection of the accident scene (without fail) in order to identify
video surveillance systems located near the scene of an accident. In the presence of these systems
establish their owners, conduct their survey to determine the availability
-no video recording of an accident. If there is such a record, take measures to
If, in case this record is not received
possible to inform the customer about this in order to take measures to claim
video data through law enforcement agencies conducting verification on
the fact of an accident.
2.6. Conduct surveys of residents of residential buildings nearby workers, workers
organizations located near the scene of an accident in order to identify possible
eyewitnesses to traffic accidents. When conducting surveys, it is advisable for all respondents to leave
their business cards with their contact details, as well as inform them about
possible reward for providing information about eyewitnesses to an accident.
When conducting any surveys, it is advisable to use audio recording tools, with
taking into account the regulations for its use established by law.
conducting an external inspection, it is advisable to use video recording.
The list of the above activities is not exhaustive.
an action plan is developed based on the requirements at the conclusion
specific contract for the provision of services for the collection of information. In case the information
are not collected as part of a criminal case, it is advisable in an agreement on rendering
this type of service indicate that the service is provided as part of the collection of information on
civil matters, because the provision of such services in administrative cases
offenses are not expressly provided for by applicable law. The collection is
information on civil cases involves the use of data in
preparing a civil claim for the recovery of amounts
material and moral harm caused as a result of DPT, which is not
contrary to the norms of the current legislation governing NPV.
Private investigator Zakharov Andrey Valerevich

 

[STALKER]

Gentlemen, colleagues, what kind of "floodroom" do we get? Agree until the BH has rights, at least as a journalist, here you can conduct discussions until we say to each other "YOU WILL GO FAR").

 

[Запаренко Александр Николаевич]

Some people really want to pull a coin from the working people. They went ... by the forest

 

[Плотников Юрий Михайлович]

Some people really want to pull a coin from the working people. They went ... by the forest

Something like this ! : D