Secrecy of the investigation. Private detectives - why do they need more

[Детективное агентство Тула]

Re: Secrets of the investigation. Private detectives - why do they need more

I am not against the state with its laws.
I am opposed to devoting so much of my personal time to discussing the upcoming Law on NPV in the Russian Federation.

 

[ВАХТАНГ-ГРУЗИЯ]

Re: Secrets of the investigation. Private detectives - why do they need more

If there is a state ... there is a right ... there is a Law ... if there is no Law and there is no law, there is no state .... so the existence of a state is the presence of restrictions ... these are the foundations that characterize statehood ... these are common truths .... and these provisions exist regardless of whether we want it or not .... something like that ....

Andrei dear, I think you agree with me that the law on NPV does not mean statehood. Yes, I agree that a state cannot exist without laws, but these are the basic laws that are formalized as law. As regards the NPV law, it is not a right, let alone a non-binding law of statehood. As you know, many states feel great about themselves without the NPV law. Simple civil relations, someone has elevated the law and people who have nothing to do have begun to duplicate laws one after another, again against themselves. I think clearly erupted.

 

[ВАХТАНГ-ГРУЗИЯ]

Re: Secrets of the investigation. Private detectives - why do they need more

PS The law needs to be written when someone or a group of people is authorized by some additional right, or when some restrictions are introduced in the rights that ordinary citizens have. In our case, you cannot tell more than one moment that the black hole had the right to, but an ordinary citizen was forbidden. It turns out that the right of citizens was rewritten and called the law on NPV, and some detectives are proud of this nonsense and look at the top of non-licensed detectives, a place where they improved their skills and performed with dignity.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Re: Secrets of the investigation. Private detectives - why do they need more

PS The law needs to be written when someone or a group of people is authorized by some additional right, or when some restrictions are introduced in the rights that ordinary citizens have. In our case, you cannot tell more than one moment that the black hole had the right to, but an ordinary citizen was forbidden. It turns out that the right of citizens was rewritten and called the law on NPV, and some detectives are proud of this nonsense and look at the top of non-licensed detectives, a place where they improved their skills and performed with dignity.

Not quite so Vakhtang .... What does it have to do with special rights ... After all, if you follow your logic, anyone can manufacture weapons and explosives, etc. (naturally, as an example) ... But the State gives the RIGHT to carry out these activities in accordance with the Law on Licensing ... The same thing with the Law on BH ... naturally, any citizen can do this purely physically ... However, it is the state (here in Russia) that gives the right to carry out this commercial activity in accordance with by law ... If this is not the case in other countries, this is a matter of citizens of other states naturally ... And only after the state (naturally in our country), gave the RIGHT to carry out this commercial activity to individual citizens by issuing them the appropriate licenses, it is in our country that these citizens have the right to be called PRIVATE DETECTIVES and carry out entrepreneurial activity in this direction ... And some citizens, acting on the territory of the Russian Federation, declare themselves as PRIVATE DETECTIVES YOU (by posting relevant advertising materials in order to make a profit), without having the appropriate rights to this and without obtaining the consent of the state ... And this is precisely legal nihilism and disrespect for our state (RF), whose citizens there are similar persons ... And there are many such examples .... Of course, in other states it could be different ... But this is already a matter of citizens of other states, including Georgia, where Vakhtang resides ... And here we discuss the issues of formation Private detectives in Russia ....

 

[ВАХТАНГ-ГРУЗИЯ]

Re: Secrets of the investigation. Private detectives - why do they need more

Well, then I’ll put the question like that. If a Russian citizen registered an IP, opened a bank account and began to engage in NPV. He passes all the cash proceeds through a bank account and pays tax carefully. What can the state do with this person? According to the law on NPV, there is no punishment for such acts ..

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Re: Secrets of the investigation. Private detectives - why do they need more

Well, then I’ll put the question like that. If a Russian citizen registered an IP, opened a bank account and began to engage in NPV. He passes all the cash proceeds through a bank account and pays tax carefully. What can the state do with this person? According to the law on NPV, there is no punishment for such acts ..

Vakhtang))) Look at the current legislation of the Russian Federation .... For such actions, work without a license provides for administrative or criminal liability ... it all depends on the amount of profit ... something like that ...
here is a reference to the norm of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation ... If the amounts are less, the administrative responsibility ... Pay attention to the phrase "WITHOUT LICENSE" ......)))))
Criminal Code, Article 171. Illegal business

1. Carrying out entrepreneurial activity without registration or without a license in cases where such a license is mandatory, if this act has caused major damage to citizens, organizations or the state or involves the extraction of income in a large amount, -
(as amended by Federal Law of 07.12.2011 N 420-ФЗ)
(see text in previous edition)
shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of up to three hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of up to two years, or by compulsory labor for a term of up to four hundred and eighty hours, or by arrest for a term of up to six months.
(as amended by Federal laws of 08.12.2003 N 162-ФЗ, dated 07.03.2011 N 26-ФЗ, dated 07.12.2011 N 420-ФЗ)
(see text in previous edition)
2. The same act:
a) committed by an organized group;
b) associated with the extraction of income in an especially large amount, -
(as amended by Federal Law of 08.12.2003 N 162-ФЗ)
(see text in previous edition)
c) has lost force. - Federal Law of 08.12.2003 N 162-ФЗ
(see text in previous edition)
shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of one hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convict's wages or other income for a period of one year to three years, or by forced labor for a term of up to five years, or imprisonment for a term of up to five years with a fine of up to eighty thousand rubles, or in the amount of the wage or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to six months or without it.
(as amended by Federal laws of 08.12.2003 N 162-ФЗ, dated 07.12.2011 N 420-ФЗ)
(see text in previous edition)
Note. Expired. - Federal Law of July 21, 2004 N 73-FZ.
(see text in previous edition)

 

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Re: Secrets of the investigation. Private detectives - why do they need more

1. Carrying out entrepreneurial activity without registration or without a license in cases where such a license is mandatory, if this act has caused major damage to citizens, organizations or the state or involves the extraction of income in a large amount, -

shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of up to three hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of up to two years, or by compulsory labor for a term of up to four hundred and eighty hours, or by arrest for a term of up to six months.

Everything is correct Andrei, but the requirement of this article works when the conditions of the second part of the disposition of the specified article come, if this act has caused major damage to citizens, organizations or the state or involves the extraction of income in a large amount.
So that if a person is registered, honestly pays taxes and doesn’t harm anyone (that is, he works professionally), then there will be no responsibility for him. As for the large-scale income, it seems lonely detectives can get such an income. I think I convinced you.
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[Андрей Захаров]

Re: Secrets of the investigation. Private detectives - why do they need more

1. Carrying out entrepreneurial activity without registration or without a license in cases where such a license is mandatory, if this act has caused major damage to citizens, organizations or the state or involves the extraction of income in a large amount, -

shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of up to three hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of up to two years, or by compulsory labor for a term of up to four hundred and eighty hours, or by arrest for a term of up to six months.

Everything is correct Andrei, but the requirement of this article works when the conditions of the second part of the disposition of the specified article come, if this act has caused major damage to citizens, organizations or the state or involves the extraction of income in a large amount.
So that if a person is registered, honestly pays taxes and doesn’t harm anyone (that is, he works professionally), then there will be no responsibility for him. As for the large-scale income, it seems lonely detectives can get such an income. I think I convinced you.
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Vakhtang))) I said, if there is no damage (or income) provided for in this article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, then administrative responsibility ... (see the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation in particular, article 14.1,20.16). Which, in principle, is criminal differs only in a comparable measure of responsibility)))) So work without a license is a gross violation of the current legislation, both criminal and administrative offenses ... Read (if you want, of course) the legislation of the Russian Federation .... After reading which (if volume carefully ... so to speak "with a pencil in his hand", as one of our leaders advised))))) there will obviously be no such questions .... Due to the fact that citizens of the state must respect and comply with the laws of the country, in which they are citizens))))) And if they don’t comply ... then this is their business))) I hope clearly explained)))))

 

[Сергей Анатольевич]

Re: Secrets of the investigation. Private detectives - why do they need more

The article is not about anything ...
He is also the president of the APS.

 

[Turdubaev Dastan]

Re: Secrets of the investigation. Private detectives - about why they need more

I fully support Andrey - "there are no words ... only emotions."

I support!