International Scientific and Practical Conference (Ukraine).

[Олегас]

Andrei, I agree that they do not understand the situation there, because in a normal dispute the truth is born, and there is some kind of direct confrontation. Therefore, peacekeepers are needed ...

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

Therefore, peacekeepers are needed ...

Type: now we need not coachmen, but mediators ...

 

[Детективное агентство Москва.]

Colleagues, on the one hand, I agree with Oleg:

Colleagues, maybe let's not heat up the situation so excited there? After all, I think the truth is somewhere in between. .....
Remember the slogan - Detectives of all countries, unite!

On the other hand, Kostya is also right:

In order to actively participate in the adoption of the NPV Law in Ukraine, it is necessary, on the contrary, to attend such conferences, and not to evade or ignore them.
Nobody urges anyone to agree with the results of such conferences or not to express their fundamental objections to specific statements of opponents. Deliver the Lord!
I always advocate for consistency in action.
As if, the logic is completely absent: we are very concerned about the speedy adoption of the Law, but we will not go to a scientific conference on this topic. What for? We are smart, and there, some fools will gather ...

I do not understand the position of the VAChD. At the moment, I see that the VAChD is trying to actively participate in the work on the adoption of the law, and rightly so, but the position turns out to be one-sided, we participate only where we agree.


Fuh !!! ...... I sighed with a HUGE RELIEF !!!

I understand that Igor (Help) was in suspense, how would the event end, which the ACFA refused.

Let’s introduce everyone a little bit:
1. Back in November, we (members of the VAChD) were invited to become one of the organizers of this EXACTLY event.

And what was wrong with that? A conference is organized with interesting questions:

1. The role, goals and capabilities of detective work in modern Ukraine;
2. Legal and organizational support for detective work in Ukraine;
3. Administrative, civil and criminal law protection and protection of human rights in the course of detective work;
4. The use of the results of detective work in criminal proceedings;
5. The ratio of detective and operational-search activities;
6. Application of the results of detective work in law practice;
7. The use of detective activities by travel agencies in providing assistance to their clients abroad.

2. UNANIMOUSLY, a refusal was given to the participation of the members of the ACHD in the conference.

I wonder why? Probably already in November, the respected colleagues from the ACCHD knew and studied all the reports, strongly disagreed with them, but they did not consider it necessary to convey their position or realized that they could not, and therefore refused to participate (this is my assumption, it is quite possible that the VAChD had more serious and reasonable motives)

3. You can see who became the organizer on the websites of the organizers themselves, for example: https://www.iuaj.net/node/1165

KHARKIV ECONOMIC AND LEGAL UNIVERSITY
QUALIFICATION AND DISCIPLINARY COMMISSION
LAWYERS OF THE KHARKIV REGION
COUNCIL OF LAWYERS OF THE KHARKIV REGIONhttp: //forum.detective-agency.info/index.php? Threads / 9476 & start = 50 #
LLC "AGENT LAW"
"ASAD LAW COMPANY"
with the support of
LLC agency for transportation and tourism "SKHID - AVIA"

In my opinion, it’s a very normal list of organizers, it’s a pity of course that I did not take part in the organization of the VAChD (which was invited in November last year). Indeed, I think that the opinion of practitioners could even more acutely indicate the real problems that exist today.

CONCLUSION: VAChD to this event has NOT the slightest relation !!!

Of course, this can be seen from the list of organizers and from the list of conference participants.

Now, about the main thing:
1. What will hundreds of thousands of colleagues know about such an opinion about themselves ??? - PRESS-TUP-NI-KI !!!
2. Who of those who work honestly, does not hide, does not disguise “by someone” to find out from his lips a senior teacher of future officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs about his “illegality” and TO SUPPORT SUCH EVENT ??? ... The answer is only ENEMY OF NPV and its regulation in Ukraine. Only the one who sees such performances sees how to destroy the BHP and push detectives and law enforcement officers against their foreheads!

It is a pity, of course, that the VAChD did not dare to express its point of view openly at the conference, but only by results it raised a big wave of negativity. In my opinion, this is not a constructive approach to solving truly serious problems.

So happy that on this "Sabbath" we were not ....

Well, this phrase causes me only a sad smile.

I want to emphasize that this is my personal point of view, and if I offended someone by expressing it, I apologize in advance - I did not want to.

 

[Частный детектив Днепр]

Guys, hello everyone! A lot of noise about the fiery speeches at the Kharkov conference of some I will say so "very well-educated associate professors" about the criminal activities of the BH in Ukraine !!! : lol: (I had in mind Kharchenko). I will not expound for a long time, I myself communicate with detectives in several forums, but the point of view of Roman Khudyakov completely coincides with mine, I present it below:
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Ukraine is the only state in Europe in which private detective work is virtually illegal. This was February 25 at the international scientific-practical conference "Detective activity in Ukraine: problems and prospects", which was held at the Kharkov University of Economics and Law, said the Doctor of Law, Associate Professor, Head of the Department of Criminal, Criminal Executive Law and Criminology of the Kharkov National University of Internal Affairs Vadim Kharchenko. http: //www.sq.com.ua...zakona_ekspert/
Such a statement personally caused me at least bewilderment ...
What motivates such a categorical statement ?!

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In Ukraine, a paradoxical situation has arisen when detective activity is not only not legally regulated - it is also expressly prohibited by law, "Kharchenko said. According to him, in accordance with part 5 of article 5 of the Law of Ukraine on the operational-search activity of a detective and only law enforcement agencies can engage in search activities, which puts private detectives out of the law.
Firstly, in the Law on the Horde, I did not find the very concept of a "detective" ...
Secondly, we look at the Concepts and Tasks of the operational-search activity

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Article 1. Tasks of operational investigative activities
The task of the operative-search activity is the search and recording of factual data on the unlawful actions of individuals and groups, the responsibility for which is provided for by the Criminal Code of Ukraine, the intelligence and subversive activities of special services of foreign states and organizations in order to prevent offenses and in the interests of criminal proceedings, as well as obtaining information in the interests of the safety of citizens, society and the state.

Article 2. The concept of operational investigative activities
Operational-search activity is a system of public and secret search, intelligence and counter-intelligence measures carried out using operational and operational-technical means.
That is, it is NOT possible to fix the actual data ... carried out using operational and operational-technical means ...
BUT no law prohibits anyone from communicating with people and collecting information from open sources !!

Further, Mr. Kharchenko assures that

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In Ukraine, several thousand enterprises are engaged in detective activities. In fact, all these enterprises under the current law commit a crime under Art. 203 of the Criminal Code (engaging in illegal business).
We look at article 203 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine

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Article 203. Engaging in prohibited types of economic activity
1. Engaging in types of economic activity with respect to which there is a special prohibition established by law, except as otherwise provided by other articles of this Code
and we are surprised - None of the Laws of Ukraine established a special ban on NPV !!!!!!!

Being perplexed, I wondered - is it a provocation or incompetence ??
I do not want to believe that the doctor is legal. sciences, teaching our valiant policemen (and not only them) ABSOLUTELY not guided in matters of jurisprudence ...
Then this is PROVOCATION.
BUT WHY ?!

Do you like it
I do not like

Sincerely, Roman Khudyakov
"Seeker, yes He will find"
Detective agency IKS-Info
[DLMURL] https://iks-info.narod2.ru/ [/ DLMURL]
And from Roman personally to Kirill Skazin about his last post:
A good "alignment" ... But why only on the MOD forum, where do we have access ?????
Do you have access to this - do not want to talk HERE on the same topics ???

 

[Частный детектив Днепр]

I mean talking to CIS-DETECTIVES ...

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

It is a pity that there is no transcript of speeches at the Conference.
The publication in the media and the quotes cited there do not inspire confidence by definition ...

 

[Растаман]

You are not right!
Cyril did not write, so that you did not have the opportunity to come here. Cyril wrote in an open topic and anyone can go in and see. Or am I wrong? And for some reason they make a monster from MOD. Allegedly, we are writing here and no one has access. This is not so. And I think it’s not worth going to your sis. You want to make a circus again. More than once we (I, Steve and Cyril) tried to chat on your forum, in the end we were bad. And all just because we are members of the MOD. I was even called one on one for discussion, I agreed, I wanted to communicate constructively. but in the end, everyone snapped at me, and they insulted me. And not just me.
Maybe enough information wars already?
And about this last conference, my opinion is this; they said correctly, it was necessary to come and participate in the discussion, to uphold, etc. But you are proud - if there will be MOD, then we will not go in principle. And now you are making the MOD guilty. Would come! Or courage and pride were not enough?
After all, you need a law on NPV, so why didn’t you go - there was a good opportunity to discuss. And now, after a fight, you wave your fists - like we are moving the law, but they are bothering us. Who is stopping you then? You yourself are in the way!
Maybe enough dirt pouring on the MOD? You are to blame for all the MOD, probably even the killing of Kennedy?
Notice no one offended, all on the topic. On your site, in an open topic!
City! Speaking to you, I didn’t mean you personally, I generally say this. Do not take about yourself. Thank you for understanding.

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

I mean talking to CIS-DETECTIVES ...

Let them come here to communicate if they themselves want it.
They don’t want to - not deadly: everyone chooses for himself where he is comfortable to communicate.
I did not register for SISYA and I do not want to do this in the future.
Which MOD has the opportunity to communicate there - a flag in hand and good luck in communication!
Moreover, we already have the experience of DEMOCRATIC communication on SISIS ...

 

[abbat]

Let them come here to communicate if they themselves want it.
They don’t want to - not deadly: everyone chooses for himself where he is comfortable to communicate.
I did not register for SISYA and I do not want to do this in the future.
Which MOD has the opportunity to communicate there - a flag in hand and good luck in communication!
Moreover, we already have the experience of DEMOCRATIC communication on SISIS ...

Hello to everyone who remembers me:!::!::!:
Who does not know - we will meet a little later

Kostya, hi personally
I heard you, I'm glad that once again I was given the opportunity to chat on one site:!::!::!:

Did you say something about democracy ?!
I am pleased to talk with you on this subject: D

 

[Частный детектив Днепр]

Guys, I’ll say EVERYTHING like this: I personally communicate with many detectives in various forums exclusively for the fact that: "Live and learn," and of course, like everyone else, so that people know about me, there’s such a thing detective And what I see, moreover, very often, is the attempts of some detectives to manipulate consciousness (and sometimes in a rude form - the form of provocative statements), attempts to impose authority (age, length of service, etc.), and life then shows - old (adult) and educated - does not mean WISE, unfortunately. Because I wish everyone to take the advice of their conscience, and, as you know, she never sleeps ...