Question about Armenia !!!

[Generalpi]

And even suppose Armen returns the money to Aziz, where there are guarantees that the client will not appear and will not ask for money. And what Armen will say I gave to Aziz. The client will tell you your agreement with me, and here is Aziz. I think that Armen has the right to know the client’s contacts. I do not condone Armen, but everything must be fair.

 

[Хагани]

I also agree with colleagues ......

 

[Generalpi]

Hagani with what specifically

 

[Азиз]

Only one question is how it turned out that Armen signed a contract with the client directly without knowing his data and personal contacts. I believe that Armen has the right to have customer contact information. And it turns out with all my respect for Aziz, Asia I respect him very much. There is no legal tie between Armen and Aziz.

Hi Steve. You correctly noted everything, there is no legal tie between me and Armen. But the contract was signed, Armen wanted it. As I already wrote, the client did not need a contract. I asked Armen for a scheme of work, he said we conclude a contract, we get money, then we start working. Please, here is a contract for you and here is the money you want. The injured party was the local representative office of the European company and the contract between Armen was concluded with the head office of this company in Europe. Armen once had the honor of communicating with him through skype conference in the presence of me and Vitaly. Regarding the client’s personal contacts, if you mean his telephone contact, then if my memory serves me right, I gave it during a Skype conference, and on my own initiative, if Armen can’t find him, then fortunately this phone then mysteriously erased. As for the other personal data of the client, if at that moment Armen asked to give them, then of course he would have received them, fortunately this did not happen. In general, I was a client for Armen, as a person trusting me transferred money to Armen. I also hold the answer to the person who paid the money to Armen, not Armen at all. The Internet is full of Armen’s services, there are a lot of advertisements and high-profile statements, one “head of the special service department” that only costs: lol :, directly agent 007 !!!! I think it's time to rename this "department" in the appropriate name! : lol: If I introduced Armen to a person and told the client to work directly with him, my hut is on the edge, I can’t vouch for him, then Armen would never have received this money. But this was not on my part, I really thought that Armen would be able to help, since the circumstances were such. The fact that the person respects and trusts me cleanly worked here, that’s all, and that’s the main thing I think. Thanks to Armen, I did not lose my respect in the person of this person, because I earned my respect, these are not big words, really.

Regarding the contract, since I am not an entrepreneur or a businessman, I can’t say with certainty whether it would be appropriate to say “concluding a contract” here, he simply stamped the contract and sent it by e-mail, in return he received the same only stamped by a European company. In general, I think this contract does not have legal force, since the contract does not bear the wet seals of both parties, if necessary, it is impossible to conduct an examination of such contracts, but this is my personal opinion, maybe I'm wrong. In my opinion, for the contract to be concluded between two legal entities located in different regions of the world to have legal force, it is necessary to send two copies of the contract with wet seals to the client’s company through the postal service courier, for which the client receives these two copies through the courier affixes his wet seals to the other side and sends one original copy through the courier to the supplier, and leaves one to himself. After that, both parties have contracts with wet seals in the original, also applies to other documents arising from the contract (additional agreements, various adjustments to clauses of the contract, etc.). But I will not discuss this point, the topic is not that. In principle, this is not a question of a contract. In general, I propose to close the topic for discussion, otherwise it turns out that the culprit is another person, but I make excuses. To put it mildly, "not a good person," this is proved in discussions. It seems to me that there is nothing more to discuss here.

 

[Азиз]

Yes, you could just tear your soft spot away from the chair and fly to China. Before that, consult about the Chinese application procedure for initiating criminal proceedings. And within the framework of the case, everything would have gone officially. It may be enough to declare to send to the consulate and that’s it!
And fig goat button accordion for $ 1,500 ?!

About nothing.

 

[Generalpi]

Aziz, I do not defend Armen, I just say that this contract is Filkin's letter. And I'm just trying to warn my colleagues that we must learn from the mistakes of others and not from our own.

 

[Детективное агентство Москва.]

Colleagues, I think that Steve is to some extent right. Quite often, disputed situations with the client cannot be resolved simply because the initial documents on the relationship between the parties were drawn up negligently. By the way, Andrei Zakharov tried to say the same thing (the topic is about drafting contracts between detectives) Of course, we all, including myself, try to work only with trusted and reliable colleagues, but situations can arise different ...
Now, with regard to this case, I still think that Armen is completely wrong. Indeed, Aziz, as a person who recommended Armen, bears at least moral responsibility to the customer. And the question Aziz posed was not a legal solution to this controversial issue, but a conscience decision. For example, I voted for what would block Armenians only after Armen tried to pass off as an official document, taken as if in Hong Kong, a screenshot of the site on which something like our extracts from the legal department is ordered. persons. By the way, I tried to use this site for quite some time - I didn’t like it. And notice this already in the midst of this condemnation. Those. I believe that he tried to deceive us all. That's why I voted because I voted. It's my opinion.

 

[Арсен]

Colleagues, I think that Steve is to some extent right. Quite often, disputed situations with the client cannot be resolved simply because the initial documents on the relationship between the parties were drawn up negligently. By the way, Andrei Zakharov tried to say the same thing (the topic is about drafting contracts between detectives) Of course, we all, including myself, try to work only with trusted and reliable colleagues, but situations can arise different ...
Now, with regard to this case, I still think that Armen is completely wrong. Indeed, Aziz, as a person who recommended Armen, bears at least moral responsibility to the customer. And the question Aziz posed was not a legal solution to this controversial issue, but a conscience decision. For example, I voted for what would block Armenians only after Armen tried to pass off as an official document, taken as if in Hong Kong, a screenshot of the site on which something like our extracts from the legal department is ordered. persons. By the way, I tried to use this site for quite some time - I didn’t like it. And notice this already in the midst of this condemnation. Those. I believe that he tried to deceive us all. That's why I voted because I voted. It's my opinion.

Cyril, and past the Chinese affair with Armen, did anyone contact on another issue or not? I'm just wondering he only
Does this act in this case, or do others also have facts?

 

[Детективное агентство Москва.]

Armen, I don’t know. I repeat, for me, the criterion: Armen tried to pass off as an official document, taken allegedly in Hong Kong, a screenshot of the site on which something like our extracts from the jurisprudence is ordered. persons. Those. I believe that he tried to deceive us all.

 

[Бюро Рысь]

I read, received sight, passed.
My opinion on this issue is unequivocal:
1. To return money directly to the client with an apology (if the reputation is expensive)
2. Learn to read and listen to people worthy and respected (there are no fools here, the scam will not work), and not stupidly bend your policy, and even demand an explanation.

Armen, listen to the advice, reduce the ambition, they communicate with you very correctly (there have been cases of communicating much more with the transition to personalities), a mistake recognized in time is the way to preserve the reputation and attitude of colleagues and potential clients towards you!

Reputation is earned over the years, and crumbling in one second, then rising is very difficult! Believe me, I know!