Question about Armenia !!!

[Юридическая Компания Лидер]

Colleagues ! I also have a direct relationship with this question. Communicating with Aziz, at the beginning of this year, he voiced this issue on China. Based on the information of the MOD Forum, Armen is registered as its participant. In May, working with Armen on his question on Turkey, I asked him a question on China, to which he said there is an excellent partner in China. Further, after the Skype conference of Aziz, Armen and me, the parties concluded this agreement. Armen promised to carry out the work and bring documentary evidence of its implementation to the Congress of Detectives of Ukraine in Yalta (Ukraine) May 24-26, 2013 to show it to me and send it to the customer. Armen didn’t come to this event, and when I meet with my colleagues, I learn that Armen is almost the “president” of the Armenian detectives, and that Armen himself went to our colleague and asked if he had an “exit” to China . It turns out interesting, he told that there are partners in China, then he himself searches for these same partners, but the most terrible thing is that the price that Armen offered for the work in China was $ 500, not 1500.
The following, in the contract under discussion, in the details of the parties, as far as I know, the electronic address is indicated - armendon@mail.ru . This address also appears in this ad https://mob.areg.biz/firms/?id=7017 . It is subject to explanation or not I do not know. So who are they BUILDERS OR DETECTIVES. And here is CISSAROC | Centrul Internațional pentru Studii de Securitate, Apărare și Răspuns Operațional la Crize, there is Nadarian Lena Armenakovna, 35 years old, the contract is also signed by Nadarian Lena Armenakovna. So who is Armen, what kind of company is and what does he have to do with it. There are more questions than answers. Well, we see the results of the work done by him on order. There really are no words ...

 

[Азиз]

That's just returning to the topic of drafting agreements))) What question is this answer))) The questions in the assignment must be posed concrete, without vague wording (this will then avoid rumors). And the collection of some information (not even determined which one specifically) - assumes virtually the same answer: lol: So you should probably think about how to formulate the tasks in the contract correctly, and then make any claims to the contractor ... This topic has already been discussed -Area of cooperation ... Very it is difficult (in the absence of a specific task) to determine whether it has been completed or not ... When answering the question about the possible identification of a possibly unscrupulous partner during the task, we again rest on the specifics - put (in writing) before the contractor not a vague, but a specific task (in including indicate that it is necessary to establish complete installation data (for example, full name, date of birth, place of birth, registration address, address of the actual residence, etc. (what you need), be sure to indicate in the assignment that you need photos, videos, audio materials confirming the established facts, etc.) If the assignment of these circumstances does not indicate, hence the misunderstanding ... In terms of setting specific tasks, I personally like the approach to this issue from the project "Mystery shopper" ... (akin to our activity, also collecting information, only of a certain nature). Who has the desire, look ... Many people work in this project , with which written agreements are not concluded, but there is a logo when receiving a TA for a specific task, in which everything is written down to the smallest detail (up to the behavior in the test object) ... The absence of misunderstandings in this matter allows not only to qualitatively complete the task, but also then check the quality of its implementation and, of course, to resolve the issue (in the case of the qualitative fulfillment of a specific task) about the payment for the services of a "data collector" ...

The question was posed clearly and specifically. For me personally, what is written in the terms of reference does not mean anything. In principle, I and the client did not need this contract and other papers. It was the initiative of Armen, the contract and terms of reference were drawn up on his part. Well, since he needs it, it’s not a question, the client signed, put a stamp and sent. There was an oral agreement between two adequate people. I think trust and reputation are above all, any piece of paper. If everything is judged by agreements and other papers, then I don’t know where we are heading, and yes, judging by the terms of reference, it’s not clear, you could just write that such a company exists in China and close the question. But what about trust? If I were based on papers and proceeded only from them, I personally would have drafted the terms of reference, what's the use of it? Where to present this technical task, even if it is painted to the details? Only here in the forum. What's the point? These papers were needed by Armen, he received them. A personal question, can I assume that based on your words it turns out that he did the job? Well, based on the papers? In general, I have a different goal, I personally do not need Armen’s comments, I already worked with him, which I regret very much, my goal was to inform Dear people that it’s not advisable to work with China in China and put the results of his work into the “studio”, my conscience is clear. If such results of any of those present satisfy, the question is, you can safely work. I repeat that when working, it is trust that matters to me, and not pieces of paper, which, incidentally, have nowhere to show, even here in my country. My goal was to contribute my five cents to improve work efficiency.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

I think you Aziz, made your contribution to the "piggy bank" of the NP, reporting on the above facts))) This is important ... And as for the formalities, they probably still need to be followed ... If people trust each other, there may be obstacles to the conclusion of any agreements between them ... Yes, no ... But then to deal with various "shoals" without documents is very difficult ... And about the "pieces of paper" ... I certainly do not know how in other regions, but we even have the so-called "boys", upon reaching any agreements on various, even not entirely "clean" transactions, reinforce their intentions with some kind of document, even if it does not correspond to the form and type of transactions (those that are actually concluded). .. So to say, for their "internal" showdowns, in case of their occurrence of course ...

 

[Азиз]

... And as far as formalities are concerned, they probably still need to be observed ... If people trust each other, there may be obstacles to concluding any agreements between them ... Yes, no ... But then deal with various " Shoals "-without documents it’s very difficult ... And about the" pieces of paper ... I certainly don’t know how in other regions, but we even have the so-called "boys" when reaching any agreements on various, even not quite "clean" "they reinforce their intentions with some kind of document, even if they don’t correspond to the form and type of transactions (those that are actually concluded) ... So to speak, for their" internal "showdowns, of course if they arise ...

If you agree with this, then what about it?

The questions in the assignment must be posed concrete, without vague wording (this will then avoid rumors).

and this

even if it’s not in the appropriate form and type of transactions (those that are actually concluded) ...

as a result get it

A question the answer)))

Why then do we need "internal disassembly"? I apologize but could not understand it. If as a result receive

A question the answer)))

then why draw up the terms of reference? It seems to me that you have slightly deviated from the topic, my goal has been achieved, and there everyone will draw their own personal conclusions. But in general, as I said, my goal is not to discuss the work of Armen, but to warn decent people so that they are not framed. I personally will not work with Armen anymore, and there is no particular desire to communicate either, if he has a conscience, as I already wrote

I think it will be fair if Armen, as a person who values his reputation, personally personally evaluates his “report”, but what will remain (unless of course he remains: lol :, then everything is on conscience of Armen) will be returned to the client’s account.

I hope that Armen still has a conscience, I won’t force, not that case.

 

[Андрей Захаров]

Dear Aziz))) No one deviated from the topic of discussion ... You probably just did not carefully read all the posts that are available ... There are no contradictions in my posts ... What you reported was submitted for discussion to colleagues ... The question just needs to be considered objectively ... And probably, to solve the question of preventing such facts in the future ... That's all ...

 

[Симферополь]

Money is a matter of gain, and respect, authority and reputation of FIGs can be earned so easily, for this you need to WORK, and not say big words like some do!

I share Aziz’s point of view on the principle of the approach to work. Does anyone in the know, colleagues, is invited and has access to the topic of Armen?

 

[Азиз]

Money is a matter of gain, and respect, authority and reputation of FIGs can be earned so easily, for this you need to WORK, and not say big words like some do!

I share Aziz’s point of view on the principle of the approach to work. Does anyone in the know, colleagues, is invited and has access to the topic of Armen?

I believe that Armen has an admission, since to my surprise he is a member of the group "Full members of NP" MOD ", I don’t know about the invitation, I personally did not invite him.

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

Money is a matter of gain, and respect, authority and reputation of FIGs can be earned so easily, for this you need to WORK, and not say big words like some do!

I share Aziz’s point of view on the principle of the approach to work. Does anyone in the know, colleagues, is invited and has access to the topic of Armen?

I posted an invitation on his page.
I'll try to get it on Skype.

 

[Орлан]

when working with the colleagues of the MOD, we did not conclude agreements, but still in the letters I ask you to indicate the tasks set by the points, questions, after which we also provide a report on the points.

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

Money is a matter of gain, and respect, authority and reputation of FIGs can be earned so easily, for this you need to WORK, and not say big words like some do!

I share Aziz’s point of view on the principle of the approach to work. Does anyone in the know, colleagues, is invited and has access to the topic of Armen?

I believe that Armen has an admission, since to my surprise he is a member of the group "Full members of NP" MOD ", I don’t know about the invitation, I personally did not invite him.

Aziz, he, like you, received temporary admission here.
It is not Valid, although it is written under the photo.
Otherwise, I didn’t add you here.