Competitive intelligence in the Premier League business

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Look, I have a license on the main page of the site, click it, it says what the detective can do. To everyone else, only if he is hired by a labor contract as an employee of the company. And in the SB, and in marketing, anywhere, the law does not prohibit.

Thank!

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Here, by the way, is another intermediate opinion. It is not only practically in tune with my impressions, but also valuable in that which was expressed by a detective who made a choice in the direction of competitive intelligence.

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My question is:

Just in case, I’ll clarify: this, in essence, is either drawing up certificates for the enterprise (i.e., as if the SB were outsourced), or, in essence, ORM, and often beyond what is permitted by the detective’s license, if you look formally. Right?

And another question, if possible: how would you, having the experience of a detective, describe the difference between competitive intelligence and detective activity?

Answer:

In fact, this is so. The limits of the NPV law are a separate song, by the way, for this reason, I am categorically against any laws on competitive intelligence. There is a criminal code, violated pay. And separately prescribe this or that - empty.

The differences are not significant, probably the following:

- detective - works for a private client much more often
- a detective is a constant solution to tactical and operational tasks
- the reputation of detective work in general - the spouse changed - we are looking for a private detective, theft, we suspect our son, we go to a private detective,
- competitive intelligence against this background compares favorably with the reputation, but not by ear, plus working with a private client and working outside of strategic goals reduces efficiency,

And also the same databases, the same Internet, the same operational installations and reconnaissance conversations (called whatever you like, the essence does not change). The same acting in the framework of ethics or law.

Now I am mastering the work in every possible way within the framework of the strategist, with this I have difficulty, tactics and operative, everything here is simply clear and transparent, and it turned out to be not so simple to change my thinking towards strategic planning)))))

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This, incidentally, fully explains the controversy in this forum. You can clearly see (here) “pure tactics” and those who know how and want to think strategically.
People who are prone to strategic thinking immediately understand that there are certain basic settings that adapt to the specifics “in place”. They also immediately understand that in a strategy it is impossible - fundamentally impossible - to clearly describe future actions. Because specific steps will be taken based on the development of events and the incoming information. And this is so variable that "at the start" is impossible to calculate. Therefore, it is impossible to enter into the contract.

To a strategically minded person, this is simply obvious. And the tactician begins to get nervous: he does not understand what is at stake - and rolls into the terms "nonsense", "wiring", "quackery." In about the same way, an infantry sergeant cannot always understand the Chief of Staff of the army - after all, he does not say where the sector of shelling of his squad is and how much to take along with him. And what the NSh Army says is for the sergeant “smart words” and “bullshit.” This does not detract from the importance and need of the sergeant on the battlefield, it’s just different levels of work. Not "high" and "low", but different. After all, a successful and effective NS Army may not be an important commander of a motorized rifle division.

So far, somehow.

I’ll add, perhaps, that they use much larger money in strategy than in tactics. There is a higher “price of the issue” and, accordingly, higher performers' fees. But, of course, this is not important for everyone.

 

[JR Security Consulting Group]

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This, incidentally, fully explains the controversy in this forum. You can clearly see (here) “pure tactics” and those who know how and want to think strategically.
People who are prone to strategic thinking immediately understand that there are certain basic settings that adapt to the specifics “in place”. They also immediately understand that in a strategy it is impossible - fundamentally impossible - to clearly describe future actions. Because specific steps will be taken based on the development of events and the incoming information. And this is so variable that "at the start" is impossible to calculate. Therefore, it is impossible to enter into the contract.

I discover interesting things for myself. I thought that thinking strategically, in our case, is “normal,” but it turns out to be different.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

I discover interesting things for myself. I thought that thinking strategically, in our case, is “normal,” but it turns out to be different.

It happens, and quite often. There are different levels of work - tactical, operational, strategic. And there are people who are prone to one or another level. If a person has worked in tactics all his life, he may well become an unsurpassed master in it, but even thoughts about strategy drive him into boredom. He needs specifically: here is the object, here he went, here he met, here we fixed it and brought it to the client.

The task of type "In" Kommersant "appeared a series of publications about problems in our market and they hooked us very strongly. Question: who is behind this and what to do about it?" tactics does not give rise to any proposals. As well as the question: "What are the prospects for the governor of the N-th region in the matter of appointing the regional prime minister and how will this affect us?"

 

[JR Security Consulting Group]

As for tactics, I understand these are specific things, as you said. With the strategy, it’s also clear to me to see ahead and analyze what and how can be in the next steps. And efficiency, as we can describe?
If I didn’t designate these terms correctly, correct me.

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

As for tactics, I understand these are specific things, as you said. With the strategy, it’s also clear to me to see ahead and analyze what and how can be in the next steps. And efficiency, as we can describe?
If I didn’t designate these terms correctly, correct me.

There is a difference - in the planning horizon. The degree of concretization is a derivative of this main point.

Tactics are momentary. The planning horizon is Here and Now. Resources - those that are, or those that are right at hand (i.e. also already exist).
An analogue from the war is the placement of trenches (when they are dug in under enemy fire), dashes, "We roll the first grenade into the room (do not throw it!), Then roll the second, but without taking out the checks (let them hide) - and then we burst ourselves in."
The result of the victory is to survive on our own and capture (or not allow to capture) some point, the loss or acquisition of which does not fundamentally affect anything.
The result of the defeat is personal problems; the organization will not suffer.

Strategy is the future. Planning horizon - months and even years. The uncertainty is complete. You need to catch weak signals and guess trends from them. Resources must be formed, not only for today, but also for future multi-step steps.
But the issues are so ambitious that if the decision is made incorrectly, they will not be able to replay.
An example from the war is planning a Bagration operation.
The result of the victory is the restructuring of the entire theater of operations, the emergence or prevention of the emergence of new players.
The result of defeat is the problem of the entire organization, including its complete disappearance or the transfer of property rights by force.

The operational level is in the middle. He has in common with the strategic - in that he looks into the future, but has in common with the tactical - that this is the near future, that you need to respond quickly and with available resources.
An analogue from the war is the alignment of forces and means by the division commander. They take the language, send the reconnaissance plane, according to their data, assess the state and plans of the enemy, with whom they are in direct contact - and proceeding from this, arrange forces and means.
By the way, the story with Kommersant, already writing the material, is the operational level. And the situation with the governor's prospects is strategic, if assessed in advance and operational, if circumstances that have suddenly arisen that were not taken into account are evaluated.

In general, SUDDENLY circumstances that have arisen are characteristic of the tactical level, are encountered on the operational level and are not on the strategic level.

 

[JR Security Consulting Group]

Thank you, everything is clearly explained.

 

[Роберт]

Strange, they taught me just how to make a person come to certain conclusions and find himself in the right place at the right time. Well, everything is equipped there, a matter of technology. By the way, many customers abandon their plans when you explain the prospect to them.
They came up with one idea and with money. They want to do this. You can stupidly take the money and do it. And that’s all.
No, I explain the consequences to them. : D And all their desires fall away. They get up and leave with the money. : D So it was when I explained that it is better not to forge medical documents when entering a prestigious company, because there are good personnel officers and Security Service. So it was when I explained that in certain circumstances, having learned about the surveillance of him (and this is inevitable), the son will generally leave home and will have to restore relations with his parents for years. Well and so on

 

[Роберт]

I had some opportunity to work this year at one of the leading military factories as deputy chief of the regime’s service for general issues. Just tried not to do security. But he was surprised to find that the security system is needed to control some of his personal affairs. Type their "make" - strangers can not. Contract amounts are overstated hundreds of times. The necessary financial investments in the infrastructure of the enterprise are used for other needs, which leads to serious accidents. Relations in the team even lead to suicides among the middle management. Occupational injuries occur periodically. Pay for work - only by skilled workers. The rest have an average age of more than 65 years and will work for pennies as slaves. No one needs some kind of forecasting work, the main thing is to get a budget piece of money for their development: D
The main principle of security is to identify those who steal without the knowledge of the factory management. With clarification, if someone steals with the knowledge, but a lot, then this also needs to be stopped.
Some kind of general moral corruption from permissiveness. Security and security personnel have been working for no more than a year, mostly 8–9 months. Well, so as not to enter the alignment.
And such people just don’t understand why the Kyrgyz Republic and all these bells and whistles are needed. They would like to lease out the space as soon as possible and cut the coupons.
Interestingly, is this almost at all enterprises of our military-industrial complex or where are there smart leaders who are rooting for their job?

 

[Ющук Евгений Леонидович]

Strange, they taught me just how to make a person come to certain conclusions and find himself in the right place at the right time. Well, everything is equipped there, a matter of technology. By the way, many customers abandon their plans when you explain the prospect to them.
They came up with one idea and with money. They want to do this. You can stupidly take the money and do it. And that’s all.
No, I explain the consequences to them. : D And all their desires fall away. They get up and leave with the money. : D So it was when I explained that it is better not to forge medical documents when entering a prestigious company, because there are good personnel officers and Security Service. So it was when I explained that in certain circumstances, having learned about the surveillance of him (and this is inevitable), the son will generally leave home and will have to restore relations with his parents for years. Well and so on

Well yes, that's right.

Now look, as I said here earlier, that he needs to find out from the client, why he needs what he asks, and they answered me that this is not my business, they say, he needs it - that means it is necessary.

About that and the speech that different people taught for different situations, and then practice fixed it - and personal experience appeared. Which in some ways is good, but in some ways it works like blinders.