Psychology of handwriting. Graph analysis with Inessa Goldberg

[Инесса Гольдберг]

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Igor, Alexander , nice to meet you!
Andrew , mutually. It is not surprising that in the USSR (and then in the CIS) there was no graphological examination. Actually, in the narrow direction of fakes as such, handwriting experts work, this is the same job. But then - the psychophysiological profile, sanity, trustworthiness and many other psychological characteristics, lifestyle, behavior - this already goes beyond the handwriting practice.
Sergei Thank you. Do you know about me?

STEVE , thank you for your offer!
I have some connections with American graphologists, and as far as I know, there is at least one organization with skilled specialists in your country. We also have a secret international graphologist forum on the internet.

 

[частный детектив Хмельницкий]

It is not surprising that in the USSR (and then in the CIS) there was no graphological examination. Actually, in the narrow direction of fakes as such, handwriting experts work, this is the same job. But then - the psychophysiological profile, sanity, trustworthiness and many other psychological characteristics, lifestyle, behavior - this already goes beyond the handwriting practice.

Hello, Inessa. Let me almost disagree. In the USSR, graphological expertise was and was developing at a very successful pace, until the "specialists" came along with the collapse of the Empires and brought everything to its current position
At home, I even have a test work on graphological examination (preserved as a keepsake) from a special educational institution where in those days I had a chance to study (I immediately predetermine questions - the course of forensics, oddly enough, was one of the few, not secret and even not “Chipboard”) We all taught this in passing, for general development, but the teachers were profiting not only the results of handwriting, but also a complete socio-psychological portrait. Hence the respect for your work, which has since reached unprecedented heights. I do not argue with you in any way, but only slightly defended “that” of the USSR Respectfully Help.

 

[Детективное агентство. Украина. Киев.]

It is not surprising that in the USSR (and then in the CIS) there was no graphological examination. Actually, in the narrow direction of fakes as such, handwriting experts work, this is the same job. But then - the psychophysiological profile, sanity, trustworthiness and many other psychological characteristics, lifestyle, behavior - this already goes beyond the handwriting practice.

Hello, Inessa. Let me almost disagree. In the USSR, graphological expertise was and was developing at a very successful pace, until the "specialists" came along with the collapse of the Empires and brought everything to its current position
At home, I even have a test work on graphological examination (preserved as a keepsake) from a special educational institution where in those days I had a chance to study (I immediately predetermine questions - the course of forensics, oddly enough, was one of the few, not secret and even not “Chipboard”) We all taught this in passing, for general development, but the teachers were profiting not only the results of handwriting, but also a complete socio-psychological portrait. Hence the respect for your work, which has since reached unprecedented heights. I do not argue with you in any way, but only slightly defended “that” of the USSR Respectfully Help.

Yes, Inessa, this guy misses the scoop very much and keeps all the controls so carefully, please understand him)))

 

[частный детектив Хмельницкий]

Yes, Inessa, this guy misses the scoop very much and keeps all the controls so carefully, please understand him)))

))))))))))))))) In my opinion, it is better to miss the State that taught me to be who I am than to miss the slender clatter of SS divisions around the world, including . in Ukraine

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

In the topic of graph analysis with Inessa Goldberg:

 

[Инесса Гольдберг]

Hello, Inessa. Let me almost disagree. In the USSR, graphological expertise was and was developing at a very successful pace, until the "specialists" came along with the collapse of the Empires and brought everything to its current position

Of course, you may not agree.
But if you allow me, I will correct you a little. Please do not be offended, but there is simply a confusion of concepts, this is not real graphology. I think, you guess that before you say anything, I studied everything that existed and still exists in my area in the Russian-speaking space. That is precisely why the need has ripened in my time for me to write textbooks on this profession, and today - to develop awareness of it.

I am aware that I always want to say "we were the first" (this is me about the USSR), but we were not the first, moreover, we did not develop anything. There is nothing to be done, the birthplace of graphology is France, and then scientific graphology became strong only in Germany (and German-speaking countries), in France and in Israel (Italy and Hungary can also be noted). I also realize that I risk incurring your anger now, because I allow myself to doubt that that teacher was at least a psychologist. They do not teach a course in forensic science - the psychology of handwriting. In addition, there was nowhere to learn, but they were definitely not allowed to study with foreigners. Moreover, I repeat what I wrote earlier: in the countries of social. Camp graphology was banned. What you are telling - yes, there was such pampering among handwriting experts, but it did not have a scientific base, and therefore it was harmless.

Many field investigators, handwriting experts, forensic scientists, independent experts, and psychologists, often like to boast of their "capabilities"; people don’t know how to check. Usually, the technique "I'm Profi!" Is used, and people believe - only it isn’t specified that the pros are people in another field. Is it possible that one of them studied for several years of a profession, can present a diploma or a list of the scientific bibliography by which he studied? Not a list of "author articles" or "methods" of individuals, but generally accepted compulsory literature when studying for the specialty "graphologist". You will not find anything of this in Russian. That is why my specialists are now engaged in painstaking work - they are translating world-renowned graphologists and scientists into Russian.

If you re-read what I wrote in other posts, you will understand how things are, what to believe, and what not. Russian criminologists study with us in Israel, not because they like it more, but because there has never been any good scientific material, this is not part of the specialization in handwriting. Just in case, I’ll say that I have these materials, both from my students, and the very first, Soviet ones - the fact is that I myself am a descendant of the forensic expert and handwriter and received this “inheritance” in due time in order to have representation. By naivety, those materials can only be compared with the naivety of "graphological manuals" of 2 pages, which are now distributed by some unscrupulous teachers .. psychology! There are copied from the Internet articles in the style of "fortune-telling in handwriting" from women's magazines.

Believe me, I have no purpose to argue out of harm, you are very nice to me. But I have something to say if it comes to my competence and what is happening in the history of graphology in the world. I will give a funny example, this is not for you personally, but just for the sake of analogy.

On the street (I’m from Sheltie, this is a breed that has in common with a collie, the smallest shepherd in the world, we don’t have such in Israel, I had to fly at one time), once an Israeli came up and said:
- Oh, it's a collie!
“No, it's not a collie.” Is it like Sheltie, Scots, you know, those in katana skirts? This is their national breed.
“I don’t know what a collie is.” Only you have it some kind of small. This is because the cross. But thoroughbreds, they are big ones!
- No, you just didn’t understand: this is such a breed. The smallest shepherd.
- Well, I will tell you authoritatively - nevertheless I spoke closely with the cynological club at one time - they sold you a cross, there are no such shepherds, does she only graze God's cows?
- But ...
“You know, by the way, a collie is not a shepherd!” I saw it myself, shepherds are working dogs, service dogs, here is a German shepherd, for example.
“But I know what’s on my leash .. She’s a shepherd, it’s in her blood.” Looks in the eye, perfect obedience and behavior, and what a smart!
- Well, I have no time here with you. I’ll say one thing: a collie is not a shepherd, and therefore they know how stupid? One professional trainer told me. And yours - collie is!

Sometimes it’s not possible to convey that you know a little better what you’re talking about, if this is your area of competence. About graphology in Russia and its difference from the handwriting and "graphological speculation" of some people in uniform can be read [DLMURL="https://professionali.ru/Topic/31093174"] here [/ DLMURL] (scroll to the end). This is a community of psychologists.

To make it boring, I propose to such handwriting experts who make a "socio-psychological" portrait, to say even just the most basic things about the author of the handwriting - I will give an illustration. Here, attached see here .

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

They do not teach a course in forensic science - the psychology of handwriting.

In those courses about which my colleague from Khmelnitsky speaks, they trained to determine the appearance of authors and executors of anonymous documents.
This is special. courses, on them - special. forensics ...: oops:

 

[Инесса Гольдберг]

Will you believe me if I say that I know what courses are available when it comes to my profession?
Probably, she didn’t write it very clearly: we are studying specialists who graduate from a wide variety of “special courses”, and they are studying from the FSB, and their psychiatrists too. And in my family there is just a handwriting forensic scientist. There were simply no such courses where scientific graphic analysis is studied, and there are none now. Otherwise, I would have known about him, and the manuals would have been.

Your colleague says that nothing is secret (of course, psychodiagnostics cannot be secret), i.e. everything should be public. But there is nothing. No material in Russian. And the profession "graphologist" does not exist in the register of professions of the USSR or the CIS. And now you say that on the contrary, I don’t know, because everything is “special” (ie secret). Graphology, graphoanalysis are not secret by definition. Once, a former KGB officer argued with me, hoping that I was not in the know, and appealed to this "secrecy", at the same time not knowing basic things.

Why argue, I suggest that such a specialist come and talk about anonymous handwriting - I have already given a link to a very easy option. It is true that handwriting experts work with anonymous letters, but they should not be confused: they establish technical nuances, conditions of execution, the approximate gender of a person, examine the drying time of ink, their type, type of paper, etc. - all that can be evidence. Psychological diagnosis cannot be evidence by definition and requires knowledge of general psychology, psychophysiology, psychiatry (psychopathology) - these specialists do not have such knowledge.

Let at least one of them answer a simple question, for example: " what is the psychodynamic stereotype and physiological explanation when performing the upper and lower processes of letters, what is behind it and what makes it possible to determine ? "Hint - the answer is related to areas of the brain, psychomotor.

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

There were simply no such courses where scientific graphic analysis is studied, and there are none now. Otherwise, I would have known about him, and the manuals would have been.

And the profession "graphologist" does not exist in the register of professions of the USSR or the CIS.

Inessa Igorevna! I would not promise.
Maybe the specialty "graphologist" did not exist and does not exist until now, but there is some kind of nondescript SD (special discipline) - 27 or, for example, 35 ... Such, here, the conditional name ...
Even before your birth, specialists worked in the Fifth Directorate of the KGB of the USSR, who, by the handwriting and text of an anonymous document, correctly found its author-performer. I do not claim that there were many such specialists, but they were, and I am a witness to this.

 

[Детективное агентство Тула]

In support of my words, I quote an excerpt from a regular student essay:
"... Psychodiagnosis of the handwriting of suspects.
In recent years, there has been an intensive search for new, unconventional interrogation methods, methods of analyzing the testimony obtained, based on the diversity of personality traits of offenders.51 One of these methods is the psychodiagnostics of the handwriting of a person suspected of committing a crime. Modern computers allow you to implement this method at a high technical level. This technique was developed by a doctor of psychological sciences, professor of Bashkir State University G. Aminev.
The essence of the method is as follows: the suspect, who does not admit guilt, is invited to write with his own hand what he was doing on the day of the murder (or disappearance of the missing person) - with an interval of two hours. Knowing that all the information presented will be carefully checked, the suspect tries to recall more details and thereby mentally “lives” repeatedly with the events that he describes.
When he comes to the description of the time interval in which the murder was committed, he naturally begins to state what would testify to his non-involvement in the crime, or to refer to forgetfulness. However, the inertia of thinking, the psychological “feeling” is already so great that all attempts to convincingly set out their own false alibi are accompanied by a “scrolling” in the consciousness of the frames of a genuine event, a picture of the perfect murder appears in front of my eyes.
This psychological state should be reflected in the handwriting. The key letter in the study according to the methodology of G. Aminev is the letter "p", since it is on it that changes in handwriting are most easily recorded. In addition, it is most convenient for measurements and is relatively common in arbitrary text.
All the letters of the text are measured, in which the events are described in a two-hour interval of interest for the day, their average height is calculated, which is noted in the constructed schedule. The same studies are conducted on other two-hour segments of the day described by the suspect. The connected points of the average height of the letter "p" form a line of the graph, the vertices of which are a graphical representation of the suspected peaks of nervous tension.
The time of day at which the peak of the graph falls will be the estimated time of the crime. This significantly saves time and energy when conducting investigations about operational-search measures, and it also becomes possible to use a highly effective method of psychological impact on a suspect - the so-called "information attack."
During the interrogation, the suspect is demonstratively informed about the incident, which creates a feeling of full awareness of the investigators about the whole picture of the crime. This method is also applicable to verify the actual involvement of the suspect in the act when he pleads guilty to his own testimony.
Significant disadvantages of the described psychodiagnostic method include a decrease in its effectiveness after a certain period after the commission of the crime, as well as the complexity of measuring and calculating the average height of the control letter of the studied text.
Studies were conducted in 1994-96. using electronic technology. The "ORT" program for computers was specially developed, which contributes to a more accurate measurement of letters than the simple measuring instruments used by G. Aminev. As objects ... "