OD AntiDoghanter

[antidoghanter]

Honestly, I have a double attitude to this. Of course, I in no way support those who, in a sadistic way, get pleasure from killing and mutilating homeless animals. And even for being held accountable. But, in my opinion, among those who kill these animals, there are many who either suffered themselves or those close to them from the attack of these "cute" animals, mutilating and mutilating human lives and even in some cases bringing death. And, I think that most of them do not want the torment of the animal and want instant death. Their goal is revenge and the desire to protect other people from a possible attack. How many people have suffered from such attacks !? And their ranks only grow every day. The state does practically nothing to solve this problem, as well as in many other ways.
Dear antidoghanter, I have the following question for you. Besides the fact that your movement is trying to hold animal killer sadists accountable. What are you doing to protect stray animals? And how do you define a person who is doing this, that he kills and cripples, having fun?

1. We are not zoodefenders at their core, we are fighting the phenomenon of dog hunting as an organized criminal group whose activity is to violate universal values, the principles of morality, morality and principles of humanism.
2. most of them do not want the torment of an animal and want instant death. what is their logical right to take the life of an innocent living creature?
Our opinion is nothing, a statement in line with man is the king of nature, the world was created for man, etc. also not wealthy, because is the opinion of only a group of individuals and also falls apart at the slightest logical analysis.
3. How many people have suffered from such attacks !? And their ranks only grow every day. The state does practically nothing to solve this problem, as well as in many other ways. how many people suffered and suffer from attacks of people, following the analogy - let's kill all of each other, you can switch to nationalities and kill peoples whose representatives attacked people.
The state is us, there are very few neglected animals in relation to people, everyone can shelter at least one.
Also, let's recall the origin of pets, they were tamed by our ancestors, we believe that humanity is responsible for the invasion and change in their natural development.
4. Besides the fact that your movement is trying to hold animal killer sadists accountable. What are you doing to protect stray animals? And how do you define a person who is doing this, that he kills and cripples, having fun? I repeat, we do not protect animals, members and participants in our movement can engage in animal protection to the best of their ability and desires, our main goal is dog hunters, regardless of whether they call themselves such or not.
Identifying dog hunters is a painstaking job, as we carefully check information even coming from government agencies. Well, the definition that a person involved in doghunters experiences pleasure and commits them out of hooligan motives - obviously, a mentally healthy person, does not come up with the idea of killing a living creature if there is no direct threat to his life.
Also, sadism and hooligan motives is not a fact that is undeniable for us, since the dog hunter is not authorized by law to regulate the number of street animals, and besides, his actions are directly contrary to the norms and means carried out by authorized persons.
Since we are not animal welfare advocates, we do not aim to attract a criminal precisely according to Article 245 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, property rights of citizens are more often used. A stray animal cannot be deemed to have no owner until it is established. Those. conditionally, every neglected animal has an owner (owner), I think that lawyers do not need to describe how to prove ownership of the more so for the dead animal.
Not less important, is that more and more often, doghunters violate the law not only in relation to animals, while working with doghunters, authorities are often more alert, which allows to identify and prevent offenses in other areas of law.
In addition, our movement is still quite young, mainly today's merit is the work of our participants, even before the formation of our movement.

 

[antidoghanter]

Welcome to the Forum. But I support the point of view of Eugene (Private detective SB Moscow).
And, to his voiced questions, I’ll add: how do you feel about the extermination of dogs, which are not just cute and homeless suffering creatures, but to those individuals (of whom there are not a small number) who are hostile to humans (including children, women) and carry a serious threat to the health and lives of people ???

That is, the relevant authorities, violation of the law by one citizen, entails provocation of violation of the law in relation to this citizen, by other persons.
Hostile behavior, (mood) is not a sign of a direct threat.
Someone may be afraid of Valuev and what to do?
Murder without a direct threat to life - murder without objective reasons.

 

[Детективное агентство Симферополь]

I have witnessed more than once, including with regard to my child and wife, when a single dog or a group of such “cute” animals with a grin and purposefully attacked a person, tore clothes or, not approaching closer than a meter, burst from barking, choking on saliva. ..in your opinion, is this a direct threat to health and life or not enough?

 

[antidoghanter]

I have witnessed more than once, including with regard to my child and wife, when a single dog or a group of such “cute” animals with a grin and purposefully attacked a person, tore clothes or, not approaching closer than a meter, burst from barking, choking on saliva. ..in your opinion, is this a direct threat to health and life or not enough?

Without seeing the situation, it is difficult to assess the degree of threat, as well as the circumstances contributing to it or lawfulness.
People are also often aggressive, but the degree of threat is difficult to determine remotely.

Let's not be cunning before each other, we all know that there is good and bad, lawful and illegal, humane and immoral.
Also, how can you provoke aggression, try to avoid it or be subjected to a surprise attack and it doesn’t matter anymore, a dog, a person or someone else.

Doghunters do not protect and do not defend themselves; they seek victims and provoke animals to be aggressive towards people.

 

[ДНК2012]

Identifying dog hunters is a painstaking job, as we carefully check information even coming from government agencies.

???? and who pays for this work ???, and what kind of government bodies that transmit to you, and maybe even officially such information ??? and painstakingly checking - this is how, you monitor, invade your personal life ??? and if the suspicion is not confirmed - where and to whom and in what place to put your check and violated human rights ??? .......... go better sign up for volunteers and spend your energy on the search for missing children than engage in dubious fishing ....

 

[Детективное агентство Симферополь]

Everything is clear. It is not clear just how sideways the Forum of Private Detectives is related to this activity ...

I also advise you to register at the Forum of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and popularize your activities there. Their Administrators are much less humane to the representatives of their forum and there many will be happy to discuss your work from all sides. But honestly, there is a great chance to get into the Masterpieces section with this topic ...

 

[Евгений СБ]

1. We are not zoodefenders at their core, we are fighting the phenomenon of dog hunting as an organized criminal group whose activity is to violate universal values, the principles of morality, morality and principles of humanism.
I would like to understand by whom and when was the organized crime group (organized crime group) established? Who is its leader, members? Please announce to everyone on this list.

2. most of them do not want the torment of an animal and want instant death. what is their logical right to take the life of an innocent living creature?
I think that the majority will have a logical justification for these actions. Many, I think, will be able to demonstrate live examples. From the look of which any normal person will have a desire to grab a weapon.

how many people suffered and suffer from attacks of people, following the analogy - let's kill all of each other, you can switch to nationalities and kill peoples whose representatives attacked people.
People, in any case, are responsible before the Law for their actions, differences from animals.

The state is us, there are very few neglected animals in relation to people, everyone can shelter at least one.
How many animals did you shelter? Photos of your pets with you, in your apartment, I think will be offset, if the image is not the only animal.

Identifying dog hunters is a painstaking job, as we carefully check information even coming from government agencies. Well, the definition that a person involved in doghunters experiences pleasure and commits them out of hooligan motives - obviously, a mentally healthy person, does not come up with the idea of killing a living creature if there is no direct threat to his life.
Also, sadism and hooligan motives is not a fact that is undeniable for us, since the dog hunter is not authorized by law to regulate the number of street animals, and besides, his actions are directly contrary to the norms and means carried out by authorized persons.
I join the questions of DNA2012. And I would like to hear who authorized you and guided by what, do you carry out your activities?

Since we are not animal welfare advocates, we do not aim to attract a criminal precisely according to Article 245 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, property rights of citizens are more often used.
Be kind, expand the thought. And it’s not entirely clear what you mean.

A stray animal cannot be deemed to have no owner until it is established.
A good owner will put a collar on his pet and will walk on a leash.

Not less important, is that more and more often, doghunters violate the law not only in relation to animals, while working with doghunters, authorities are often more alert, which allows to identify and prevent offenses in other areas of law.
Show me one who never violates anything. And explain how this is expressed, that authorities behave more wary of doghunters. Are you ready to give examples when the authorities, with your help, identified and prosecuted a dog hunter. And what other offenses were identified additionally?

In addition, our movement is still quite young, mainly today's merit is the work of our participants, even before the formation of our movement.
Let me ask about merits.

 

[Матушкин Андрей Николаевич]

You are angry.

 

[Частный детектив. Владивосток.]

You are angry.

Andrei, we are not evil, this is such a joke ...: lol:

 

[antidoghanter]

To answer briefly, I have the impression that they either try to give me an exam on knowledge of the fundamentals of law, or, when licensing, I don’t have proper control on knowledge of the fundamentals of Russian legislation and international law.

I will try to answer:

The main question I think, why are we here and why do we recommend our like-minded people to visit the MOD site?
- our movement in the form as it is now, young, many people who join our movement are people who are outraged by the criminal activity of dog hunters, but they are not psychologically prepared, emotionality and the desire to punish a dog hunter can lead to a deviation from the rule of law.
We want to protect people from voluntary or involuntary violation of the law.
In short, we need MOD to ensure that people, due to their youth or lack of awareness, do not break firewood.
Before registering here, I carefully analyzed the site, there are more than enough people who can ask for advice, consult or order services.

- DNA2012 I love rudeness, but I will answer.
We are always glad to cooperate with the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and with the Prosecutor's Office, and with all other authorities and their departments, we are always ready to help authorities in strengthening the law, combating crime and solving crimes.
All information we receive is obtained only by legal means, or is generally available.
It is also about money, in the legal field in which our movement exists, like most public associations are financed from the personal funds of participants.
I understand that now many dog hunters are worried not so much by our movement as by a group of people of the same name acting by radical methods. I know much less about them than the doghunters themselves, presumably, by virtue of rumors about their activities, they do not pursue any goals, because they prey on dog hunters for pleasure, but personally, my opinion is a duck inflated by the dog hunters themselves, or a new informal youth movement.
On this dialogue I personally consider you over.

Detective agency. DASC. Ukraine, Russia.
Thank you for your advice, we have representatives in all major forums of government bodies
If your point of view is different from ours, this is not the basis for sarcasm))
Although you, as a businessman (I suppose), should understand that this is a new market.

Private detective SB Moscow
I will follow your numbering.
1. I will not describe Article 35 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and cite numerous comments on this article and its interpretation as arguments. My answer is simple and clear, the public association has the right to have its own opinion, we evaluate the doghunter movement as an organized crime group, this is an opinion, not a conclusion, and who we consider to be our personal business.
Naturally, we will not announce the lists, I am sure that the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and other services have similar information. Why you need it, you can only guess.
2. Pedophiles, drug dealers, rapists and many other criminals, based on your logic, do not make you want to pick up a weapon, and looking at a tiny fraction of the victims of dog aggression, you consider it logical to go kill all dogs, cats and birds.
For instance.
To gouge out a kitten’s eyes, break his bones, peel his skin alive while filming this on camera is an act of saving people from animal aggression?
Animals are more often responsible for the manifestation of aggression than humans, moreover, with their life, and even when the person himself was the aggressor, and the animal only defended itself.
Yes, I have animals selected from the streets, my material condition allows me to keep several, but to publish personal photos to satisfy someone’s curiosity, I don’t find it necessary.
I will leave the question under Article 245 as well as the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation open, but according to the property rights of citizens I will explain that the animal, according to the norms of the law, means property, damage caused to a citizen in accordance with the Civil Code of the Russian Federation must be fully compensated, then a wide profile of variations, any more or less sensible the lawyer will offer options.

And so, the most lethal question, I read it several times, checked it with the profile, with the registry, for a long time I was looking for other interpretations in the text, but without finding any other variations, I will take it literally given.
And I would like to hear who authorized you and guided by what, do you carry out your activities?
I answer: Article 30 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the FEDERAL LAW "On Public Associations", the Federal Law "On Non-Profit Organizations", the Federal Law "On Non-Profit Organizations", etc.

A stray animal cannot be deemed to have no owner until it is established.
A good owner will put a collar on his pet and will walk on a leash.
Situations are different, violation of the rules of detention - does not deprive the right of ownership. And where does the argument about the good and unscrupulous owners))

Not less important, is that more and more often, doghunters violate the law not only in relation to animals, .. Show me the one who never breaks anything ...
Do you want to admit to breaking the law?

Explain how it is expressed that authorities behave more wary of doghunters. - carefully and responsibly, in compliance with all norms, rules and job descriptions.
Other questions I will leave unanswered since not authorized to disclose information in which the participants in our movement appear without their consent.

Well, once, you have allowed me to ask not only questions on the topic, but also those questions that you know the answers to due to your professional activities.
I will leave information for thought.

And suddenly, one of your potential partners (clients) asked to check the level of professionalism.
I will not criticize, for me personally, "I even asked, I did not agree, I lost interest" is regarded as a blunder, because "disagreed" unnecessary action.
Any public association is interested in engaging in dialogue and disagreement, opposition, is useful for a public association, because attracts people to the problem creating a public outcry.
But you are either detectives or openly writing that you support breaking the law and hinting that they themselves are not always faithful to the letter of the law, then you demonstrate complete legal illiteracy.
I will not begin to talk about the psychological and ethical issue, prudence in the development of the information and business field of activity.
If a detective is a bad diplomat, it's a bad detective.

Thank you for training, I will be tougher))